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Re: Phoenix Lights - Man Made Hoax Devices? -

From: Bruce Hutchinson <bhutch.nul>
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 17:36:30 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 07:21:59 -0500
Subject: Re: Phoenix Lights - Man Made Hoax Devices? -

>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 00:10:52 -0500
>Subject: Re: Phoenix Lights - Man Made Hoax Devices?

>>From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:09:50 -0400
>>Subject: Re: Phoenix Lights - Man Made Hoax Devices?

>>I'm going to keep asking these questions until one or both of
>>you answer them. Explain why these flares were released at such an
>>altitude as to be seen 60-80 miles away in Pheonix when the flares
>>are ineffective above 1,000 to 1,500 feet for ground llumination [the
>>reason they would be deployed in the first place].Releasing these
>>flares at altitudes above these altitudes is a waste of the flare's
>>use. The specs on the flares recommends they be preset for release at
>>a given altitude but the flare ignites at 500-1,500 feet. Their use
>>is for the benifit of ground troops. Their other use is as a decoy.
>>They can be ejected from the aircraft and then ignite, squirreling
>>away from the aircraft in unpredictable directions to draw off an Air
>>to Air or Ground to Air heat seeking missiles.

>According to National Air Guard spokespeople in the summer of
>1997, the flares were released at an unusually high altitude.
>Capt. Eileen Benz, spokesperson for the Arizona National Guard,
>and the person who discovered that flares had been dropped that
>evening by the Maryland National Guard (Snowbirds), flares were
>dropped at an altitude of 15,000 ft. Capt. Drew Sullins,
>spokesman for the MD Nat. Guard. said a squad of A-10 using the
>Bary Goldwater training range had "dumped several flares" at
>high altitude.

I presented the Phoenix scenario to a buddy who is ex-Air Force
and who spent several years as a crew chief in an National Guard
A-10 squadron. His comments:

 - While there are people whose job is to watch costs, generally
speaking, $500 would not be considered an item that is closely

 - Re: 15,000 feet. Two possible explanations- One, during this
exercise, the "hard deck" was set quite high. During most
training flights, pilots have to perform their manoevers at a
minimum altitude above actual ground level- the so-called Hard
Deck (he called it something else-I forget- but I remembered
this term from some movie). Local geography, such as
mountains/hills can cause this lower limit to be set quite high.

The purpose is obvious... safety... and his take is that if the
flare drop was to simulate close troop support, then the Hard
Deck for this exercise might have been as high as 12,000 feet.

Two- From the synopsis I gave him, he said that one, possibly
two planes out of a small flight might have been instructed to
drop flares as a way to test that the batch they had was still
good. Most ordinance have ways of being tested, but these tests
are not foolproof, and live fire is the best way to find out if
your stock is still good. If the purpose of the flare drop was
just to test the systems, then the high altitude makes sense as
this would insure that the spent flares were cool before they
hit ground.

Based on the accounts I showed him, he leans toward a ground
support exercise run, with the Hard Deck set to maybe 12k.

If any of you are still in touch with military sources, you
might ask them what the typical minumum altitude for operational
exercises is for this area.


Bruce Hutchinson

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