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Re: Phoenix Lights - Man Made Hoax Devices? -

From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:09:50 -0400
Fwd Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:30:55 -0500
Subject: Re: Phoenix Lights - Man Made Hoax Devices? -


>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 23:37:49 -0500
>Subject: Re: Phoenix Lights - Man Made Hoax Devices?

>>From: Barry Taylor <stingray.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:15:00 +1100
>>Subject: Re: Phoenix Lights - Man Made Hoax Devices?

<snip>

>>If close, then this means that the flares were dropped at a
>>close distance behind the mountain and not 70-80 miles.

>>Your thoughts.

>What you have pointed out here contradicts my suggestion, made
>in the latter half of the ADDENDUM to my Phoenix report (see web
>site http://brumac.8k.com), that a single A-10 dropped flares 2
>through 9 (as labelled in the report). However, there were
>several airplanes in flying home from maneuvers (I don't know
>how many). They could have been flying side by side, separated
>by several miles, so, if they all dropped flares over a short
>time interval as they headed eastward toward Davis-Monthan AFB
>in Tucson, the flares could have taken any chance "formation",
>including an arc shape.

>I recently rechecked the triangulation using the Krzysten and
Rairdon videos. The baseline of the triangle is made by the
distance between the K and R locations, namely about 32 miles.
Using the sighting lines to the lights I again find a
considerable distance (80 or more miles) to the lights.

>K (and others) have claimed the lights were north of the
>Estrella range. If that were so R would have been looking almost
>due west at the collection of lights "end" on. In this case the
>lights in the R video would not have had a "shape" similar to
>the array in the K video (the "Krzysten Arc") . However, the
>fact is that the array in the R video looks very similar to the
>"Kzysten Arc." Furthermore, R was not looking due west but
>southwest. These videos were both obtained at about 10 PM, March
>13, 1997. Hence it is likely that they both show the same
>lights, in which case, they were about 80 miles away.


I'm going to keep asking these questions until one or both of
you answer them. Explain why these flares were released at such
an altitude as to be seen 60-80 miles away in Pheonix when the
flares are ineffective above 1,000 to 1,500 feet for ground
illumination [the reason they would be deployed in the first
place].Releasing these flares at altitudes above these altitudes
is a waste of the flare's use. The specs on the flares
recommends they be preset for release at a given altitude but
the flare ignites at 500-1,500 feet. Their use is for the
benifit of ground troops. Their other use is as a decoy. They
can be ejected from the aircraft and then ignite, squirreling
away from the aircraft in unpredictable directions to draw off
an Air to Air or Ground to Air heat seeking missiles.

And if the nonsense explanation that they were ejected as a
safety measure because the A-10s could not land with them
onboard is rejected, because they land with them onboard all of
the time, why then would these pilots be allowed to waste  200-
300 thousand dollars worth of flares by ejecting them at a high
altitude for no reason whatsoever.

Answer these questions first, then you can have fun with the
science. Or you can continue to ignore me.

Don Ledger




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