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Re: 'The Mythologist' AKA Armen Victorian/Henry

From: Nick Pope <nick.nul>
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 22:06:38 -0000
Fwd Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 08:10:01 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The Mythologist' AKA Armen Victorian/Henry

>From: Max Burns <max.burns.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 15:42:21 -0000
>Subject: Re: 'The Mythologist' AKA Armen Victorian/Henry Azadehdel

>>From: Nick Pope <nick.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 01:59:23 -0000
>>Subject: Re: 'The Mythologist' AKA Armen Victorian/Henry Azadehdel

>>>From: Joe McGonagle <joe.mcgonagle.nul>
>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 1:38:15 +0000
>>>Subject: 'The Mythologist' AKA Armen Victorian/Henry Azadehdel

>>>John Lundberg emailed me to say that "The Mythologist", a
>>>documentary film which he directed about Henry Azadehdel aka
>>>Armen Victorian will be broadcast in the UK on BBC4 at 10:40pm
>>>next Thursday 25th March. This should be a fascinating
>>>programme, If you have the opportunity to see it then don't pass
>>>it up!

>>>More details, including short clips from the film and details of
>>>some of the people that appear on it or were involved in it's
>>>production can be found at:



>>Thanks. I look forward to this. "Dr Henry" was one of ufology's
>>more colourful characters in the early Nineties. He telephoned
>>me frequently at the MOD and his calls were always entertaining.

>>Either he or Lucien Morgan (another colourful character from
>>those days) claimed that I was a member of 'The Aviary' - a
>>group of serving and former government, military and
>>intelligence personnel who were allegedly setting the ufological

>>My codename was Woodpecker. Apparently.

>Nick, EBK, Listers,

>I heard something about this a few years ago, apparently all the
>group had codenames after birds. I can't remember where I heard

>Someone told me that Andy Tugby, who ran one of the IRC/Mirc
>chatrooms, you have been a guest with, Nick.

>The person told me that Andy, was part of this group. His
>chatroom handle was "Crow". I know Andy. He's a normal guy. It
>was just his nick name.


I think this is a reference to the Crow & Raine website and the
online interviews that they did with me and others. I don't
think this has anything to do with The Aviary, be it real or


The first reference to The Aviary that I found in any of my
books is in chapter 34 of Howard Blum's 1990 book "Out There"
(page 238 in the edition I have; infuriatingly, there's no

But as I'm sure US ufologists will confirm, the roots of the
story surrounding The Aviary lie in the murky saga which
involved Bill Moore, Richard Doty, Jaime Shandera, Paul
Bennewitz and the 1989 documentary "UFO Cover-Up Live"
(strawberry ice cream anyone?).

There are few references to my being a member of The Aviary, and
my supposed nickname - Woodpecker - is more usually attributed
to Jaime Shandera. Members vary according to which internet site
you visit. For the record, the only alleged members I can recall
having met are John Alexander, C. B. Scott Jones, Hal Puthoff
and Bruce Maccabee.

I personally regard this whole saga as "son of MJ-12" nonsense.

I think the first real interest in any of this in the UK was
sparked by an article that "Armen Victorian" wrote for the
July/August 1992 issue of "UFO Magazine", entitled "The Birds".

Best wishes,

Nick Pope

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