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Re: UFOs And Fairies/Legends/Supernatural - Pt. I

From: Luis R. Gonzalez <lrgm.nul>
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 16:17:53 +0100
Fwd Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 10:56:48 -0500
Subject: Re: UFOs And Fairies/Legends/Supernatural - Pt. I

>From: Terry W. Colvin <fortean1.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 10:20:53 -0700
>Subject: UFOs And Fairies/Legends/Supernatural - Pt. I

T. Peter Park wrote:


>A strange "construction" with "lights" and a "noisy motor" flew
>low over Copiap=F3, Chile, on July 1, 1868. Local people described
>it as" a gigantic bird" with "eyes wide open and shining like
>burning coals," covered with "immense scales" that "clashed
>together with a metallic sound". Although it was not an actual
>landing, Jacques Vallee called this the first instance of close
>observation of an unknown object at low altitude in the
>nineteenth century. [Charles Fort, 'Lo!' (1931), in 'The
>Complete Books of Charles Fort' (New York: Dover Publications,
>1974), p. 638, citing 'Zoologist', July, 1868;Jacques Vallee,
'>Passport to Magonia' (Henry Regnery, 1969), pp. 179-180, Case

A Chilean colleague located and transcribed _literally_ the original
clipping (in Spanish, sorry):

La carta -del 16 de marzo- relata un hecho acontecido el 15
de marzo.

<snipped by Moderator>


The correct date is March, 15, 1868. The description is clearly
_not_ a strange and noisy "construction" but a gigantic bird
with a serpent body.


>One August afternoon in 1914, three young Americans and a
>French-Canadian family saw a UFO with humanoid occupants on Lake
>Huron's Georgian Bay in Ontario. William J. Kiehl, two other
>young Americans working their way across Canada, and a French-
>Canadian couple with their three children saw a spherical craft
>resting on the water. Two "little fellows" 4 feet tall with
>skinny bodies and big heads wearing iridescent green and purple
>clothes, stood on its deck manipulating a green hose, plunging
>it into the water. Three other little "men" dressed in light
>brown, wearing square masks down to their shoulders, then
>appeared on top of the craft, manipulating some tubes or pipes.
>The "men" did not appear to notice the witnesses. They soon re-
>entered the craft, except for one "little man" who remained
>outside, clinging to a railing encircling the craft, as it rose
>above the water and shot upward, leaving a short vapor trail.
>[Coral and Jim Lorenzen, 'Flying Saucer Occupants' (New York:
>New American Library, Signet Books, 1967), pp. 20-23; Jacques
>Vallee, 'Passport to Magonia', p. 188, Case 40]

According to Martin Kottmeyer "Headhunt" ('Magonia' ), this case
is suspicious:

"Late spring 1966. William Kiehl sends the Lorenzens a letter
about a 1914 incident (...). The Lorenzens note that the
incident bore some, but not complete similarity to the Steep
Rock Case of July 2, 1950 and this case was previously recounted
in"Fate" magazine, the magazine from which Kiehl learned about
the Lorenzens interest in ufo phenomena. They also note that
Steep Rock was a journalistic hoax".


>Near Marseilles in the summer of 1921, an eight-year-old boy,
>"G.B.", was "abducted" by two beings in the first recorder 20th
>century UFO abduction, according to his letter years later in
>the October 23, 1954 Paris-Match. Two tall, slender "men" in
>flexible metal diving suits and "pliable helmets" had allegedly
>dragged him into an "oddly shaped tank." Then "after a while an
>opening appeared in the ceiling of the cabin, and in a few
>seconds I found myself on the ground. However, I had to walk
>most of the afternoon until I found myself near the road I had
>left five minutes before." Jacques Vallee (Anatomy of a
>Phenomenon, p. 25) called it "the first report of a UFO
>'kidnapping' in modern times,." though "we do not know the exact
>reference of this information," listed by G. Quincy "without any
>indication of source." [Jerome Clark, "From Mermaids to Little
>Gray Men" ('Anomalist', No. 8, Spring 2000), p. 20; Vallee,
>'Passport to Magonia', p. 188, Case 43, citing "Quincy"; Vallee,
>'Anatomy of a Phenomenon: UFO's in Space: A Scientific
>Appraisal' (Henry Regnery, 1965; Ballantine Books, 1974), p. 25,
>citing G. Quincy, "Catalogue of 1,027 UFO Observations,"
>personal communication; Peter Rogerson, "Fairyland's Hunters,"
>'Magonia' 46, June 1993
>http//magonia.demon.co.uk/arc/90/revis01.html ,citing INTCAT
>files, supplied by Alain Garnard from research by D. Guarden,
>and Jerome Clark, "Close Encounters of the Third Kind, 1901-
>1959," 'Strange', No. 10, 1992]

This case is described in a Letter to Editor printed in a French
newspaper: Paris-Match #291, 23 October 1954, reproduced in Jean
Sider's "Le Dossier 1954 et l'imposture rationaliste. Cahier
Iconographique", p. 93. withour any additional data.

Hope it helps.

Luis R. Gonzalez Manso

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