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Report On 'UFOs & Fairies/Legends/Supernatural

From: Ray Dickenson <editor.nul>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 12:59:43 +0000
Fwd Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 09:22:23 -0500
Subject: Report On 'UFOs & Fairies/Legends/Supernatural

Report on search for UFOs and Fairies/Legends/Supernatural
(and questioning of "mental block" on subject)

UFO UpDates contributions

Fri, 27 Feb, Senr. Thiago Luiz Ticchetti, Vice-Presidente EBE-
ET/Brasilia/DF, International Coordinator UFO Magazine Brazil,
posed question re. "correlation between UFOs and fairies,
mythology, legends, folklore and so on" on UFO Updates List


Which fairly quickly became a discussion re. Little Green Men,
which, as per David Rudiak post, was a mid 1900's media
'put-down' of ET & UFO investigation.

Although, as Chris Aubeck and Greg Boone respectively noted, a)
world-wide check of folk-tales needed, b) some tales like
abductions and "changelings" seem international and timeless.


On Tue 09 Mar 'Perceptions' suggested check on "Green Man"
'Perceptions' has habit of fighting mental blocks - if


Thu, 11 Mar Trevor Seguin said "Green Man" embedded in Celtic
legend and also steered to "green children"

Follow-up found:

The Green Children of Woolpit, Suffolk, England (c. 1200 ?)


"no-one knows whether or not the Green Girl ever had children."

Other "greenchildren" plus older persistent stories of child-
abductions, substitutions and 'changeling' children - often with
"wizened, green faces" are found in Ireland, Scotland, Wales &

Plus, from Dr Brewer's "Dictionary of Phrase & Fable" (twelfth
edition) p. 365 gave some post medieval "Green Man" roles

a) animal - Head huntsman/gamekeeper (on estates)

b) plants - Herbalist and distiller

c) chemistry - Maker & igniter of "squibs and fireworks".

All hinting at relic (or relict) respect for "nature lore" of
pre-medieval "Green Man" legend.


Forteana Group contributions

Sun, 14 Mar put the "green gods"/"green children" question to


Mon, 15 Mar Rachel Carthy posted news of "al-Khidr, the Green Man
of the Sufi" "He is the mysterious guide....."


That webpage gave - "historically speaking, Islam inherited the
tradition of Khidr from earlier myths and faiths".

Again, an "immortal" guide from pre-history.


Already we'd got an "ancient nature god" of pre-Celtic Britain,
"a setting of which at least one scholar (Prof J Morris Jones c
1900) said - "the pre-Aryan (ie. pre-Celtic) idioms which still
live in Welsh and Irish were derived from a language allied to
the Egyptians"

And, checking in Egypt, there was another "mystery god" - Bes,
who was originally pre-pantheonic, becoming "benevolent" god of
birth & guardianship:


said "he is never shown in profile, but always full-face, almost
unique in Egyptian art..... Bes is a very unusual god. He does
not appear to be Egyptian at all".

No temples to Bes, but, just like the Green Man, household
images and amulets. (Those checked seem to be of jasper or
faience (both greenish).

Bes image at:



That was followed same day by Timothy Hodkinson's urging to
check claimed Celt - Egyptian links.


So, re-read source to clarify (and got a "fortean" correlation
from "Perceptions" own memory):

"Whole thing is on p. 78 of "Myths and Legends of the Celtic
Race" (by TW Rolleston, last edition 1919 Harrap - London)


"Rhys and Brynmor Jones find that the African origin - at least
proximately - of the primitive population of Great Britain and
Ireland is strongly suggested. It is here shown that the Celtic
languages preserve in their syntax the Hamitic, and especially
the Egyptian type"

(Footnote) 'The Welsh People' pp. 616-664 where the subject is
fully discussed in an appendix by Prof. J Morris Jones. "The
pre-Aryan idioms which still live in Welsh and Irish were derived
from a language allied to Egyptian and the Berber tongues"

[End Quote]

But here's something TW Rolleston et al would _not_ have known:
a fairly recent comparison of world blood-groupings (by a UK
uni?) made the news a few years ago when it matched a (native)
North Welsh population group to the blue-eyed Beduin (or
Berbers?) (Tauregs?)."


Timothy also reminded us - "AFAIK green is regarded as being
associated with the Fairies, who you should never talk about"


"Perceptions" notes that similar block or "geas" - due to
religious `ownership' of that color - also applies to eastern


[BTW, careful attributions, mine in third person, _might_ be
sub-conscious try to avoid retribution for breaking the geas.]

End of 'facts'.


Pure Speculation

1) D'you feel `aversion' for this discussion? Why? Is there a
block of logical thought on this subject?

2) A (maybe) world-wide story of Green Man associated with
birth, (forced?) growth, guardianship, guidance - throughout the
ages. Maybe world-wide fear of abductions (mostly of babies) and
of "changelings"/substitutions.

Does this suggest primeval "breeding/construction program for
human race"?

3) "Green Men" are (indirectly) mocked/denigrated in media mid
1900's - around beginning of _heavy_ exploitation/destruction/
desecration of nature world-wide.

4) Are we led to Alfred Russel Wallace's thoughts?


And then to Anthony Roberts and Geoff Gilbertson's "Dark Gods"


I.e. - was Charles Fort right when he said "I think we're
property...That once upon a time this Earth was No-Mans Land,
that other worlds explored and colonized here, and fought
amongst themselves for possession, but now it's owned by
something, all others warned off"?

D'you think "change of ownership" happened when Earth exhibited
atomic/nuclear weapons use?

Check http://www.perceptions.couk.com/uef/wb2.html


Ray D

"Perceptions" http://www.perceptions.couk.com

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