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Re: Depressing But Instructive - Harney

From: John Harney <magonia.nul>
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 17:58:39 -0000
Fwd Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 19:14:50 -0500
Subject: Re: Depressing But Instructive - Harney

>From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 15:58:31 +0000
>Subject: Re: Depressing But Instructive

>>From: John Harney <magonia.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 21:34:36 -0000
>>Subject: Re: Depressing But Instructive

>>On your UFO Page you deal with the story of the alleged killing
>>of an ET at Fort Dix/McGuire AFB. The dead ET was said to have
>>been hauled off to Wright-Patterson AFB (where else?).

>>You consider this preposterous story to be authentic, despite
>>the fact that it has - unlike Trindade, as Jerry Clark kept
>>reminding us - _negative witnesses_. Yet you just sweep these
>>negative witnesses aside with the words: "The fact that several
>>of the officers involved have denied to other investigators
>>having any knowledge of the incident is not surprising at all
>>under the circumstances."

>On what basis do you conclude this "story" (i.e., direct
>testimony from two witnesses and partial documentation) is
>"preposterous?" Does your armchair have magic buttons that
>reveal ytruth to you? I'm envious. Your total negative bias is
>showing. Since there are no real UFOs, it can't be true.  (Non
>potest, ergo non est.)

"I can't believe _that_!" said Alice.

"Can't you?" the Queen said in a pitying tone. "Try again: draw a
long breath and shut your eyes."

Alice laughed. "There's no use trying," she said: "one _can't_
believe impossible things."

"I dare say you haven't had much practice, " said the Queen.
"When I was your age, I always did it for half an hour a day.
Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things
before breakfast."

-- Lewis Carroll, "Through the Looking-Glass"

>The NIDS investigator called me several times and tried to pry
>loose my private and confidential files on the case, but I
>didn't give them to him. Neither he nor any of the others at
>NIDS interviewed the witnesses.

But they interviewed the _negative_ witnesses. So an unbiased
person looking at the information available on this case has to
choose, at least provisionally, between the two witnesses or the
several negative witnesses as telling the truth. Elementary
logic and common sense come down in favour of those who say that
nothing unusual occurred.

>I can't prove the case is true because I lacked the resources
>follow-up the additional leads, but (as you conveniently left
>out of your post) the primary witness checks out completely.

I left out most of the details because I expected that those who
were interested, or wished to contribute further comments would
visit your website and the NIDS website first.

>I met him on numerous occasions, his wife, his colleagues, etc. I
>arranged for others to meet and question him, and in the fulll
>sense of the word interrogate him. I am convinced his story is
>true and the event is a closely held secret. Everything points
>in that direction. But personal conviction obviously is not
>proof, or even strong eveidence.

Precisely. Far to much credence is given to many UFO cases
because of personal conviction, friendship, and assessments of
the characters and personalities of alleged witnesses, rather
than hard evidence, independent testimonies, and genuine


>My reputation for careful, thorough investigation and a cautious
>and conservative approach to the UFO subject (ask many people
on >this list who utterly disagree with me about lots of things)
>should give people pause about rejecting the report out of hand
>as you are doing. I would advise you and everyone else to
>suspend judgment.

You don't suspend judgement in the account of it on your
website; you insist that it's authentic. Hardly a "cautious and
conservative approach" to such an extravagantly bizarre story.

John Harney

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