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Re: The Illuminati - Warren

From: Frank Warren <frank-warren.nul>
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 06:20:06 -0800
Fwd Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 10:05:05 -0500
Subject: Re: The Illuminati - Warren

>From: Steven Kaeser <steve.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 13:57:54 -0500
>Subject: Re: The Illuminati

>>From: Frank Warren <frank-warren.nul>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 07:57:05 -0800
>>Subject: Re: The Illuminati


>>>'Ufology' is responsible for its failures, and not 'the powers
>>>that be'. It is an 'easy out' to plead for 'disclosure', seeking
>>>a political solution, but science is not done that way. Those
>>>who blame their failures on others seldom succeed in anything
>>>really important.

>>Au contraire mes ami! There is a phenomenon unto itself Ray,
>>that occurred from years of "debunking UFO sightings," an "after
>>effect" or "side-effect" if you will, that IMHO has been
>>responsible, for the most part, for the "current mindset" of
>>mainstream science (as well as public opinion) in regards to
>>Ufology. This phenomenon has crossed generations and in a sense
>>is a form of "mind control." Now I don't mean that in a
>>"diabolical sense," however; the end result is the same - "cause
>>and effect!"

>>Think about it, had our government embraced the UFO phenomenon
>>"publicly" instead of debunking the subject and ridiculing
>>witnesses and evidence, (for decades) we would have a much
>>different scenario today. Quite frankly, we might even have
>>members of the list who are from places much farther then

Mornin' Steve,

>There are many factors that have brought ufology to where it is
>today, and we could debate the strengths and weaknesses of them
>forever. Probably the turning point for respectability was the
>Colorado Project, which was used by Dr. Condon to gather and
>formalize evidence that supported his pre-existing beliefs about
>the subject. The debate wasn't all that different prior to the
>Condon Report, but this provided the Air Force with the excuse
>they needed to shut down Project Blue Book, which wasn't going
>anywhere, and also provided an (albeit flawed) scientific
>conclusion that there was little of importance to the study with
>regard to UFOs. To this day, many scientists view this as the
>official scientific study on the subject and believe that
>further research isn't justified. In addition, it is very
>difficult to secure research funds for a subject that has been
>dismissed by the "official" scientific community.

The "Condon Report" is part of the machinery to which I am
speaking. IMHO, I think it's safe to say that "the closure of
Blue Book was premeditated," and the Condon Report was just the
"stamp of approval" to do so.

>But when you talk of public acceptance and beliefs, there are
>many subtle factors involved. One of those is the little
>understood effect of memes, which can help to form our beliefs
>through symbols that cross language and ethnic barriers. I would
>suggest that there are a number of symbols related to ufology
>that evoke feelings and beliefs by many, which has given those
>symbols a special standing.

I would carry that a step further, and reinforce the "effect of
memes" in regards to the perception of our government in the
40's and 50's. We didn't question our government then as we do
today; we were confident in what they told us - if that's what
they say - then of course that's the way it is.

Initially, the government publicly admitted ignorance to the
"Flying Disk" [sic] phenomenon - but of course how can any
government continue to tell its people that they "don't know"
what's flying in their own airspace? Answer: In a new "Cold War
World" - they can't! Better to "explain it away" and take
control, and pacify the public's anxiety and curiosity. When the
Air Force tells you that silvery disc shaped object you just saw
flying by was swamp gas, a hallucination or a heat inversion, of
course it must be - it's silly to think otherwise.

This propaganda (cause) instituted a meme (effect) which
dominated  the majority of public thinking (as well as
mainstream science) for decades. Personally, I don't think this
was intentional, just a beneficial "side-effect" for the

>I've often been told of the "Good 'ol Days" when the phone at
>the NICAP office would ring off the hook when sightings took
>place, and reporters would walk in daily to get the latest
>reports and see if they could use them. But nothing remains the
>same, and ufology will probably resemble something different a
>decade from now.

The effect that the public succumbed to, also permeated the
media over time, (along with some help apparently) as UFO
sightings went from "front page news" to getting buried towards
the back of the paper, and why not, as when a sighting caught
officialdom's eye - there would be a perfectly plausible
explanation for it - albeit a not to exciting one. Gradually,
mainstream media would pass on UFO sightings altogether, and it
would end up being fodder for the tabloids.

Today, when a sighting of substance is seen, although it might
get air time and honorable mention in the papers locally, it's
"choked" from going abroad in most cases, and if it happens to
get a "national blip" it's generally done in jes,t accompanied
with guffaws etc.

I've always said that the media is the most powerful weapon on
the planet, and the most powerful people are those that control
it! If the goal is to get "mainstream science" to grasp the UFO
phenomenon, then devise a way to get the media to embrace it,
(seriously) and mainstream science will follow in kind.



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