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Re: The Illuminati - Warren

From: Frank Warren <frank-warren.nul>
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 07:57:05 -0800
Fwd Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 11:58:21 -0500
Subject: Re: The Illuminati - Warren

>From: Ray Stanford <dinotracker.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 20:08:47 -0500
>Subject: Re: The Illuminati

>>From: Frank Warren <frank-warren.nul>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 14:19:34 -0800
>>Subject: Re: The Illuminati

>>>From: Steven Kaeser <steve.nul>
>>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 10:54:14 -0500
>>>Subject: Re: The Illuminati

>>>Are we defining everyone who isn't already a part of the UFO
>>>community a "skeptibunker"? The field has been doing this on its
>>>own for 50 years, but I'm not sure that much has been
>>>accomplished. Somehow we have to reach out to mainstream
>>>science, and we need to do it differently than it's been done in
>>>the past.


>>Until the powers-that-be allow it, or an event takes place on a
>>"grandiose scale," Ufology will only be "whispered" within
>>"mainstream science".

>Steve is right.

>'Ufology' is responsible for its failures, and not 'the powers
>that be'. It is an 'easy out' to plead for 'disclosure', seeking
>a political solution, but science is not done that way. Those
>who blame their failures on others seldom succeed in anything
>really important.

Ray, Steve,

Au contraire mes ami! There is a phenomenon unto itself Ray,
that occurred from years of "debunking UFO sightings," an "after
effect" or "side-effect" if you will, that IMHO has been
responsible, for the most part, for the "current mindset" of
mainstream science (as well as public opinion) in regards to
Ufology. This phenomenon has crossed generations and in a sense
is a form of "mind control." Now I don't mean that in a
"diabolical sense," however; the end result is the same--"cause
and effect!"

Think about it, had our government embraced the UFO phenomenon
"publicly" instead of debunking the subject and ridiculing
witnesses and evidence, (for decades) we would have a much
different scenario today. Quite frankly, we might even have
members of the list who are from places much farther then



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