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Re: The Illuminati - Stanford

From: Ray Stanford <dinotracker.nul>
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 21:38:06 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 14:46:17 -0500
Subject: Re: The Illuminati - Stanford

>From: Frank Warren <frank-warren.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 07:57:52 -0800
>Subject: Re: The Illuminati


>Pardon the the interjection, but I wanted to point out that the
>government "doesn't deny the existence of UFOs"; their official
>position is:

>(1) no UFO reported, investigated, and evaluated by the Air
>Force was ever a threat to our national security;

>(2) there was no evidence submitted to, or discovered by, the
>Air Force that sightings categorized as "unidentified"
>represented technological developments or principles beyond the
>range of modern scientific knowledge; and

>(3) there was no evidence indicating that sightings categorized
>as "unidentified" were extraterrestrial vehicles.

>(Conclusion of Project Blue Book).

As for that (3), of course if they know it is, for example, an
extraterrestrial vehicle, it is not unidentified, by definition,
is it? Such are the semantic games officialdom plays.

May I share some memories, such as below, with you before
leaving this list soon?

What we call UFOs are taken very seriously by the USAF, but they
don't call them UFOs. That's why, when my project had its
laboratories operative in the hill country northwest of Austin,
Texas, Air Force Intelligence at Bergstrom Air Force Base in
Austin (subsequently closed in the massive base closures some
years ago) called our executive offices in town and tried to get
permission from me for a sizeable group of intelligence officers
to have a guided tour of our 400-acre optical and electronic
facilities (two lab buildings) site.

More interestingly to you, perhaps, is the fact that during that
call, Bergstrom Intelligence tried to get an agreement from me
to call a 'hotline' number at their command post for them to
scramble their F-4 Phantom reconnaissance aircraft, should we
have a sighting.

I never seriously considered calling the command post because
scrambling of the F-4 Phantoms could cause a UFO to leave the
area before we could use our extensive array of equipment, but
intelligence at Bergstrom had enough confidence in our ability
to distinguish a bona-fide 'UFO' from conventional aircraft,
natural phenomena, etc., as to grant me the power to initiate a
scramble based on my personal discretion. Note that it costs a
lot of money to scramble jet aircraft, which is exactly what the
intelligence officer making the proposal promised they would do
in response to any call from me, day or night, 24 hours per day,
365 days per year. They had thoroughly investigated me, my
background, and my project and had good reason to trust our
ability to distinguish a bona-fide UFO from more prosaic things.

In fact, Air Force Intelligence at Bergstrom had known of me
since my sighting of a blue-white, cigar-shaped UFO above the
area of the Mansfield Dam outside Austin, back on June 24, 1967,
which as a result of their investigation became one of the final
cases listed as "unidentified" in official Bluebook files.
(Check that for yourself at:

http://www.cufos.org/Comprehevnsive%20Catalog%20of%201,500%20Project%20BB%20UFO%20Unknows.pdf )

Can I prove what I just said about the request made by
Intelligence at Bergstrom AFB to have me call their command post
and scramble multiple F-4s? Bet on it. I can and will, when, in
a forthcoming publication, I publish text of the recorded
conversation with the Air Force intelligence officer making the
request. Can I give the date, the time, the name, the rank of
the intelligence officer, and even the secret number into the
Bergstrom command post to scramble jets, etc? Bet on that, too.

Once that is published, any skeptic claiming that the USAF did
not take UFOs seriously, had better be able to explain the plea
Bergstrom AFB Intelligence made to me and my project. My finger,
de facto, was on the scramble button. I am proud of the trust
that they placed in me.

Would I have been a 'traitor' to Ufology to have 'pressed' that
button? I don't think so. Certainly, it would have been fun.
Wow! What a thrill that might have been, had I done so.

Ray Stanford

"You know my method. It is founded upon the observance of
trifles." -- Sherlock Holmes in The Boscombe Valley Mystery

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