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Re: UFOs & Fairies? - Pope

From: Nick Pope <nick.nul>
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 23:31:14 -0000
Fwd Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 08:51:35 -0500
Subject: Re: UFOs & Fairies? - Pope


>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 13:36:05 -0600
>Subject: Re: UFOs & Fairies?

>>From: Nick Pope <nick.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 17:23:31 -0000
>>Subject: Re: UFOs & Fairies?

>>>From: Thiago Luiz Ticchetti <thiagolt.nul>
>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 15:51:15 -0300
>>>Subject: UFOs & Fairies?

>>>I would like to know if anyone has information about the
>>>correlation between UFOs and fairies, mythology, legends,
>>>folklore and so on.

>>Many people have made such a correlation. Perhaps the two most
>>notable are folklorist Thomas E. Bullard and author Jacques
>>Vallee. Bullard's "UFO Abductions: The Measure of a Mystery" is
>>worth a look, as are Vallee's books, especially "Passport to
>>Magonia" and "Dimensions".

>In my opinion Vallee's writings on the alleged correlation
>between fairies and UFO occupants are close to worthless. I will
>give him credit, however, at least for opening the discussion.
>Eddie Bullard, on the other hand, does a masterly job of wending
>his way through the complexities and nuances of the matter,
>whose treatment otherwise in post-Vallee literature tends toward
>the cartoonish and/or polemical.

>I also have written on the subject, showing there are
>correlations but not in any simplistic, one-to-one sense. The
>question is not so much whether supernatural entities exist -
>an unanswerable one - as whether we can experience them, and
>how all of this relates to the issues ufologists confront (e.g.,
>are experiences necessarily events?). I refer anyone who's
>interested to the introductory essay to my book Unexplained!
>(1999) and to the chapters "Fairies" and "Merfolk." My "From
>Mermaids to Little Gray Men: The Prehistory of the UFO Abduction
>Phenomenon," in The Anomalist 8 (Spring 2000): 11-31, continues
>the discussion.

I've just re-read the entry "Fairies Encountered" in Jerry's
book "Extraordinary Encounters", and was remiss in not referring
Thiago to his work (or indeed the work of Janet Bord or Hilary
Evans).

I agree with most of what Jerry says above, aside from his
dismissal of Jacques Vallee's writings on this as being "close
to worthless" (In what sense, Jerry?). I accept that there's a
danger of being too simplistic about correlations.

My previous post pointed out two motifs common to fairy
encounters and alien abduction reports, namely time relativity
and changelings/hybrids.

Jerry points out that dancing is a common theme in fairy
encounters. I can't recall this having come up at all in the
abduction literature. Food and drink is a theme of many fairy
encounters, but does not feature much in the abduction
literature. It crops up more in contactee encounters though, and
this raises again the question of whether we are dealing with
fundamentally different events, or essentially the same event,
but perceived in different ways, according to the knowledge and
belief system of the witness, and prevailing cultural factors.

None of this answers Jerry's question about whether experiences
are necessarily events. I see this as essentially a
philosophical question, though one that gets to the heart of the
whole contactee/abductee/experiencer mystery. It reminds me of
something the late Ralph Noyes said at a Society for Psychical
Research meeting, when he was becoming frustrated with debates
over the use of the word "real", and proposed that it should be
avoided where possible, in the context of parapsychological
research.

Best wishes,

Nick Pope




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