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Re: UK UFO Magazine - Stanford

From: Ray Stanford <dinotracker.nul>
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:08:49 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:34:38 -0500
Subject: Re: UK UFO Magazine - Stanford

>From: Chris Parr <cparr.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 02:34:22 -0000
>Subject: Re: UK UFO Magazine

>I can understand the frustration from serious UK ufologists
>regarding the contributions and viewpoints promoted by the UK
>UFO magazine.
>Let us remember that UK UFOMAG is a magazine - and for years has
>been Knocking out at least 60% ETH material - 10% advertising -
>5% astronomy 10% ufo reports - 10% historical UFO cases - 5%
>UFO trivia, etc.

>During the emergence of a new and unforeseen 'UFO culture, the
>opportunistic and fortunate development of UK UFO Magazine" had
>recognised the potential of The X-Files and had incorporated
>the new belief system, whilst creating the alleged voice of UK

>As an aside - during the early 90's, many ufologists had a low
>tolerance for the stance and views of Nick Pope... yet as a
>later perspective, I believe Mr Pope has dumped the officialdom
>bore trend and has become the committed and polished article and
>a credit to the UFO/media representation. I also believe that
>Nick will show genuine ufological colours and concentrate on his
>ufological potential in UFO Revelations.

>UFO magazine had a policy 'not to pay for evidence... I remember
>Graham Birdsall being stung for copyright by Kiviat TV for 50
>pounds)... for printing a still from footage from Kent 1999 (see
>Chris Rolfe Kent Ufologist)

>I have discussed UFO cases and incidents and issues with Mr
>Birdsall over the years and the man never gave anybody a bad
>word and supported Ufo studies to the hilt. Mr Birdsall was ETH
>and supported the cause.

>What evidence and who owns copyright?

>I would expect experienced UFO authors/contributors footage
>experts to know who owns the copyright and if you forward it
>without consent then you may be exploited with your UFO evidence

Hi Chris,

I'm not sure if you were addressing me when you asked, "What
evidence and who owns copyright?", but in case you were asking
about the illustrations from my Socorro book that Graham
Birdsall ran in an issue of UFO Magazine several years ago, it
is I who own the copyright, whether we're talking about the U.S.
edition (a hardcover) or the U.K. edition (a mass-market soft
cover), as clearly stated in the front material.

No part of that book was ever sent or offered to Graham (or
anyone else) for use in his magazine by me or any agent of mine.

What was illegally used were the carefully drawn illustrations
from my Socorro book, drawn with care and accuracy right down to
every terrain detail (and even vegetation), based on photos I
had taken at the landing site soon after the event.

Nothing was even said in the UFO Magazine (UK) article carrying
them, as to the source of the illustrations or naming me as the
copyright owner. No permission was sought of me or my agent.

Who owns copyright? I suggest you read a good book on copyright
law or at least look it up on the internet. Every edition of my
Socorro book carried my copyright statement, but now one need
not even present such a statement (although it is legally
advisable) to be covered under the law.

I have no 'bone to pick' about what kind of person Graham
Birdsall was, and many clearly liked him, while some others did
not. (Who among us is liked by all?) But I hope you will admit
that using anyone's copyrighted material without permission and
with no attribution is not proper behavior and highly illegal.
Of course, I don't know whether he did that in any other case,
but his having done so with my material gives justifiable cause
to wonder.

Of course if one feels an end justifies the means, I suppose it
is possible to justify anything. I don't happen to buy that kind
of philosophy.

Ray Stanford

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