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Re: Apollo 16 Film - Stanford

From: Ray Stanford <dinotracker.nul>
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:27:15 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:31:15 -0500
Subject: Re: Apollo 16 Film - Stanford


>From: James Oberg <joberg.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 10:56:02 -0600
>Subject: Re: Apollo 16 Film

>>From: Lan Fleming <lfleming5.nul>
>>To: UFO Updates <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 14:05:43 -0600
>>Subject: Apollo 16 Film [was: 1956 Lunar Path Light]

>>Perhaps the "excuse" would be that there _were_ no witnesses.
>>Mr. Oberg has said he interviewed the Apollo 16 astronauts and
>>they didn't see anything, despite the fact that their camera did
>>see something. As in the case of the STS-48 and STS-80 videos,
>>the camera is the ONLY "witness."

>By no means. Somebody who is looking at a scene and reports
>there WAS no light hovering out there, is most certainly a
>witness. By Fleming's definition, if in a crowd of twenty people
>one points to the sky and cries, 'Look at the UFO', and the
>others look up but see nothing, they don't COUNT as witnesses.
>Preposterous, I'd say.

>>Mr. Oberg has been giving out his opinion for free for quite
>>some time now. One place he posted it is:

>>http://www.edmitchellapollo14.com/wwwboard/messages/2094.html#followups

>>What's puzzling to me is that his description of the Apollo 16
>>film bears little resemblance to what is shown in the version
>>available all over the place on the net.

>One possibility is that I was viewing the original video from
>the NASA film, and the Internet UFO sites have digitized,
>scanned, re-centered, and possibly contrast-enhanced the image
>to appeal to their viewing audience.

Jim,

You seem to be trying to lead (or else mislead?) us to presume
that you viewed the original.

Yet, I cannot help but notice that you do not actually tell us
that you did so. Only a "possibility",huh?!

As fair witnesses to your statement, we cannot be sure of what
you're actually saying.

So please clarify: Did you or didn't you? Yes or no.

If so, where, when, and under what circumstance did you view the
original, and were there any witnesses present who you could
name to substantiate your claim?


Ray Stanford




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