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Re: The Illuminati - Warren

From: Frank Warren <frank-warren.nul>
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:26:03 -0800
Fwd Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 12:16:13 -0500
Subject: Re: The Illuminati - Warren

>From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 17:22:21 +0000
>Subject: Re: The Illuminati

>>From: Frank Warren <frank-warren.nul>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 09:04:10 -0800
>>Subject: Re: The Illuminati

>>>From: Nick Kirkos <atlantis.nul>
>>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 15:11:29 -0500
>>>Subject: Re: The Illuminati


>I erased Nick's message not intending to reply, but will
>piggyback here and add this afterthought.

>If anything linked to UFOs (no matter how arbitrarily) cannot be
>proven and that makes it fair game for this List, that would
>tend to make this List a gigantic manure pile. Which of course
>it isn't - most of the time. Just occasional droppings of an
>equine excrement variety.

>Not much of anything can be proven - in the scientific sense -
>which often makes anti-science types think that their
>imaginations are just as good as science.

>Irrationalism lives, hence The Illuminati, or International
>Bankers, or the Trilateral Commission in all their imagined evil
>and imagined eoistence, in any meaningful sense, continue to
>clutter up undisciplined minds.

> - Dick

Dick, Nick,

In regards to the "Illuminati" or some secret organization etc.,
I will remain "open-minded." We've learned that not so secret
organizations e.g., the Air Force, have had very "secret
agendas" in regards to UFOs (to name only one); one might argue
that various organizations, or at least "sub-organizations have
been created solely because of the presence of UFOs.

My point, however; is that there indeed is much that can be said
about UFO's from a Scientific point of view based on empirical
observations, and or investigation of UFO reports. For example:

* Some UFOs occupy a position in space.

* Some UFOs advance as time passes.

* Some UFOs interact with the environment e.g., thermal effects

* Some UFOs emit light.

* Some UFOs produce turbulence.

* Some UFO's leave behind physical evidence that can be
measured, e.g., indentations, burn marks etc.

* Some UFOs that are photographed offer data that can be
measured, speed, size, etc.

* Some UFOs affect electronic and magnetic systems

* Some UFOs have emitted debris and or "slag" which of course
can be analyzed scientifically.

* Some UFOs affect people physically.

The list goes on, but you get the gist of it; since many of the
afore mentioned attributes are recurring, henceforth Scientific
theory, hypothesis can be derived.

Obviously we all want better data, but I think those of us that
have taken a "pro UFO," or I should say "pro ETH stance" argue
that "much can be learned" from the data available if one only
looks at it. (Speaking of course to Mainstream Science).



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