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From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99.nul> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 21:33:44 +0000 Fwd Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 12:18:44 -0500 Subject: Re: Excalibur Briefing - Hall >From: John Novak <john.nul> >To: <ufoupdates.nul> >Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 00:26:40 -0800 >Subject: Re: Excalibur Briefing >>From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99.nul> >>To: ufoupdates.nul >>Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 22:24:43 +0000 >>Subject: Re: Excalibur Briefing >>>From: Joachim Koch <lists.nul> >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul> >>>Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:01:01 +0100 >>>Subject: Re: Excalibur Briefing >>>>From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99.nul> >>>>To: ufoupdates.nul >>>>Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 22:11:23 +0000 >>>>Subject: Re: Excalibur Briefing <snip> >>>All facts, all documented. Come on, you surely know about. >>>So how do you feel? >>I feel great, but you must be quite ill to entertain such quaint >>and off-the-wall ideas. But what do I know; I have two older >>brothers who graduated from Yale, which must in your >>conspiratorial circles totally disqualify me from being honest >>and straightforward. There are two American English words that >>aptly describe your views presented here, and they rhyme with >>equine and excrement. >No no no, Dick. You don't understand. Joachim is not the one >entertaining the ideas of these groups. He's the one reporting >on the facts. I understand perfectly, unless there is some game-playing going on with his comments. Should I assume that? >I can see how you would confuse the two. Scull & Bones boys do >seem to be off-the-wall, quaint and full of equine excrement. I agree. >In fact, it would not surprise me in the slightest to learn they >regularly eat the stuff as part of their happy rituals after >digging up dead people and telling all their dirty sex secrets. >I'm curious, did you hear of this particular aspect of their >ritual by association? What aspect are you referring to? Or should I reverse your question and address it to you? >Also, you seem to be confusing "goes to school at Yale" with >membership into an elite ritualistic cult that happens to have >residence on the school. You keep insisting that I am confused. I didn't say that going to Yale had anything necessarily to do with Skull & Bones crap; my brothers were not involved with that. I was merely observing that in the paranoid world view, the fact that they went to Yale would probably be used against me...in their twisted thinking processes. >And since you feel that all stories such as the one I gave about >harassment to UFO researchers and experiencers is nothing more >than a paranoid fairy tale since I can't prove it, please tell >me just exactly how I could prove it and to whom I am supposed >to report this to even if I could? Show me where I said that. All I said was that they sound paranoid unless you can advance some concrete evidence. If youi can't, you had best shut up and communicate privately with like- minded people. Friendly advice., not a sweeping judgment. When people say crazy-soundiing things, I always ask for the evidence. Otherwise it becomes purely a matter of faith. And unlike some people on this list, I do not have automatic faith in crazy-sounding ideas. >Should I just keep my mouth shut, Dick? Let the "professionals" >handle it? Report it to the Attorney General? Speak out all you want, but stop putting words in my mouth. And when I hear crazy-sounding ideas, should I just shut uip, John? Report them to the Attorney General? Turn the people over to "Professionals?" >Nope. Nowhere to go with that but places like this List, Dick. >And gosh... wouldn't you know, someone responds and says they've >experienced the same kind of treatment. As long as Errol doesn't cut you off, you have every right to comment on this List; and I have every right to respond to your comments. Get used to it! >Do you know that, if nothing else, hearing from just one other >person saying that they have experienced similar things has >really helped me to continue with this research, Dick. Do you >think that's worth anything knowing that you aren't completely >insane just because you experienced something that left no >material facts behind? That's fine. Then the List is serving a priestly or mental health function. People honestly perceive all sorts of weird things that may or may not be physically, objectively "real." So be it. I do not criticize such people as human beings; far from it. But I may quite legitimately question the legitimacy of what they claim if some sort of evidence is not presented. And I am very tolerant about anecdotal evidence to a poiint. - Dick
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