From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99.nul>
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 21:33:44 +0000
Fwd Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 12:18:44 -0500
Subject: Re: Excalibur Briefing - Hall


>From: John Novak <john.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 00:26:40 -0800
>Subject: Re: Excalibur Briefing

>>From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 22:24:43 +0000
>>Subject: Re: Excalibur Briefing

>>>From: Joachim Koch <lists.nul>
>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:01:01 +0100
>>>Subject: Re: Excalibur Briefing

>>>>From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99.nul>
>>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>>Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 22:11:23 +0000
>>>>Subject: Re: Excalibur Briefing

<snip>

>>>All facts, all documented. Come on, you surely know about.

>>>So how do you feel?

>>I feel great, but you must be quite ill to entertain such quaint
>>and off-the-wall ideas. But what do I know; I have two older
>>brothers who graduated from Yale, which must in your
>>conspiratorial circles totally disqualify me from being honest
>>and straightforward. There are two American English words that
>>aptly describe your views presented here, and they rhyme with
>>equine and excrement.

>No no no, Dick. You don't understand. Joachim is not the one
>entertaining the ideas of these groups. He's the one reporting
>on the facts.

I understand perfectly, unless there is some game-playing going
on with his comments. Should I assume that?

>I can see how you would confuse the two. Scull & Bones boys do
>seem to be off-the-wall, quaint and full of equine excrement.

I agree.

>In fact, it would not surprise me in the slightest to learn they
>regularly eat the stuff as part of their happy rituals after
>digging up dead people and telling all their dirty sex secrets.

>I'm curious, did you hear of this particular aspect of their
>ritual by association?

What aspect are you referring to? Or should I reverse your
question and address it to you?

>Also, you seem to be confusing "goes to school at Yale" with
>membership into an elite ritualistic cult that happens to have
>residence on the school.

You keep insisting that I am confused. I didn't say that going
to Yale had anything necessarily to do with Skull & Bones crap;
my brothers were not involved with that. I was merely observing
that in the paranoid world view, the fact that they went to Yale
would probably be used against me...in their twisted thinking
processes.

>And since you feel that all stories such as the one I gave about
>harassment to UFO researchers and experiencers is nothing more
>than a paranoid fairy tale since I can't prove it, please tell
>me just exactly how I could prove it and to whom I am supposed
>to report this to even if I could?

Show me where I said that. All I said was that they sound
paranoid unless you can advance some concrete evidence. If youi
can't, you had best shut up and communicate privately with like-
minded people. Friendly advice., not a sweeping judgment. When
people say crazy-soundiing things, I always ask for the
evidence. Otherwise it becomes purely a matter of faith. And
unlike some people on this list, I do not have automatic faith
in crazy-sounding ideas.

>Should I just keep my mouth shut, Dick? Let the "professionals"
>handle it? Report it to the Attorney General?

Speak out all you want, but stop putting words in my mouth. And
when I hear crazy-sounding ideas, should I just shut uip, John?
Report them to the Attorney General? Turn the people over to
"Professionals?"

>Nope. Nowhere to go with that but places like this List, Dick.
>And gosh... wouldn't you know, someone responds and says they've
>experienced the same kind of treatment.

As long as Errol doesn't cut you off, you have every right to
comment on this List; and I have every right to respond to your
comments. Get used to it!

>Do you know that, if nothing else, hearing from just one other
>person saying that they have experienced similar things has
>really helped me to continue with this research, Dick. Do you
>think that's worth anything knowing that you aren't completely
>insane just because you experienced something that left no
>material facts behind?

That's fine. Then the List is serving a priestly or mental
health function. People honestly perceive all sorts of weird
things that may or may not be physically, objectively "real." So
be it. I do not criticize such people as human beings; far from
it. But I may quite legitimately question the legitimacy of what
they claim if some sort of evidence is not presented. And I am
very tolerant about anecdotal evidence to a poiint.


 - Dick