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Re: 50 Years ago The Coniston UFO Photograph -

From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg.nul>
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 17:10:56 -0600
Fwd Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 12:38:21 -0500
Subject: Re: 50 Years ago The Coniston UFO Photograph -

>From: Joe McGonagle <joe.mcgonagle.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:23:17 -0000
>Subject: Re: 50 Years ago The Coniston UFO Photograph

>>From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 04:31:57 -0600
>>Subject: Re: 50 Years ago The Coniston UFO Photograph

>>>From: Chris Parr <cparr.nul>
>>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:48:03 -0000
>>>Subject: Re: 50 Years ago The Coniston UFO Photograph


>>"Prolonged and desperate," Mr. Parr, I think more accurately
>>describes a belligerent attempt by Mr. Roberts to recapture
>>credibility lost as a result of an arrogant admission he made
>>(while in his post conference cups, I understand) regarding
>>"blue hare", that he (and the good Doctor "C") had been hoaxing
>>around in Ufology "for years".

>Hmm... I don't recall Dave Clarke being implicated in the Blue
>Hare hoax/test/experiment/crime/blasphemous sin? Perhaps I
>missed something?

It's referenced in Burns "The Usual Suspects..." witnessed by
persons standing in the group addressed, and not denied by the
principals. You may miss more than you think, sir.

>>Perhaps Mr. Roberts can re-garner some of that credibility lost
>>were he to come clean about his duplicity and start acting like

>I thought that was the point? He did come clean about "his
>duplicity", and that's why you've got the hump?

Details, Mr. McGonagle. It's all in the details. In a post-
conference drunken brag... he let slip the tip of the iceberg. I
suppose you're quite comfortable running aground on what remains
beneath the surface. I'm, decidedly, not.

>>a researcher instead of a snarky pelicanist ideologue... be that

>Am I to take it that only people that believe in alien
>visitation are worthy of calling themselves researchers,
>according to your credo?

...I guess the short answer to that question is, YES, Mr.
McGonagle, frankly! I'm fed up with reluctant ufological blow-
bags and mainstream scientistics (sic) standing around and
wringing their hands regarding an asked and answered question on
whether aliens exist or not! They exist! Massive evidence exists
on extant levels championed by better persons than you and me.
They exist. If you still wonder if they do or not... I don't
have a whole lot of time for you, flatly. Insisting to dwell on
that question, when it has already been answered enough for any
-reasonable- person, makes you part of the problem and decidedly
contrary to a rational solution... and part of the reason we
haven't gotten anywhere in 50 years! Be proud!

They exist, sir. Have some courage! Let's move on.

>That seems somewhat elitist to me,
>though I can see that it would be less challenging to some
>people's convictions.

Not elitist, sir! You take your garden varity and vat dyed
pelicanist. Now, there's your lock-kneed elitist. Swing your
unclever brush away from me. Thank you.

>>as it may, your description of my small dissent as a "hate
>>campaign" seems like nothing more than abject surrender to
>>whiney histrionics and ardent spin doctoring. I'm unmoved in the

>You seem to be quite adept at "whiney histrionics and ardent
>spin doctoring" yourself. Mountains and molehills come to mind,
>no doubt you could expand that simple expression to a thousand
>or so words...perhaps turn it into one of odd Alfred's odes.

...You want discourse, or do you want to stand around, slack-
jawed, and make uncleverly inaccurate comments? I'll wait. Oh -
 and an Ode is in the works, Sir. Thanks.

>>first place, suspect there will be no credible revelations from
>>Mr. Roberts forthcoming in the second, and would you tell him to
>>stay the hell out of my e-mail box in the third? Thanks.

>Alfred, I doubt that Andy would take any notice, no matter who
>told him to stay out of your inbox. The solution is simple,
>apply a filter to your inbox if you want to play "I can't hear

...I should think a real gentelman would respect another's
expressed wishes, sir. I don't see where I have to exert one ERG
of energy building a wall that would preclude him the
opportunity to write something informative, informational, or
even apologetic. I'm not about walls and the necessity for them,
Mr. McGonagle, your intrepid and respected *researcher,* Mr.
Roberts is.

>For the record, I do appreciate and accept the revelation
>obtained by Andy and Dave regarding the admission by Darbishire
>that he hoaxed the image. On the other hand, perhaps you think
>that they beat the confession out of him, in true MI5 style.

You can put your faith and trust in it, sir, I think it's the
act of a fool. Moreover, I think anybody with a lick of sense
and a CSICOPian war story thinks so too. Hope this helps...


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