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Fatima & UFOs [was Re: The Beveridge UFO]

From: Ray Stanford <dinotracker.nul>
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:56:14 -0500
Fwd Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 04:06:38 -0500
Subject: Fatima & UFOs [was Re: The Beveridge UFO]

>From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 22:34:35 +0000
>Subject: Re: The Beveridge UFO

>>From: Ray Stanford <dinotracker.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 12:20:31 -0500
>>Subject: Re: The Beveridge UFO


>>Personally I suspect it's a 'pain-in-the-ass' to CSICOPians when
>>they see that at least some pro-UFO people are not beating our
>>chests over ambiguous things in photos that look like they could
>>easily be explained as speeding bugs, and suggesting they are
>>domed discs or something to waste time over pondering endlessly
>>in hopes of some great revelation.

>>Ray Stanford

And Dick Hall responded:

>Coming from the "Great Revelator" who in the past has, contacted
>aliens through his mental powers, communicated with the
>"Brothers," regaled us with the "secret of Fatima," etc., this
>is most amusing. He sure has wasted our time with his "psychic"
>pretensions, and now masquerades as the Most Scientific of Us

>Sorry; not being a good Brother I have broken my monkish vow of
>silence, and guess that I will have to do penance.

That sounds like a familiar chant from the old monk coming out
of his "vow of silence". I'm starting to enjoy its charm, like
listening to a Gregorian chant or maybe a Tibetan Buddhist

Well, thank you, Dick, for this opportunity. Today seems
appropriate to comment on things related to the Fatima
apparitions, because they were also on the 13th of the month.

When I was employed as a research psychic by the Association for
The Understanding of Man, I was requested to give 'readings'
from a self-induced state, guided by the suggestion of a
'readings conductor' who directed my unconscious to discuss the
then undisclosed 'secret of Fatima'. My unconscious was asked to
attune with the 'secret of Fatima' that had been withheld by the
Roman Catholic church and to describe it to those present. Quite
a challenge?

No way anyone could possibly do that successfully, is there,

"Psychic pretentions", you say. No pretense at all. Yes, I gave
readings, over three decades ago, on 'the secret of Fatima', and
there are some indisputable facts that interested List members
might enjoy knowing, so please allow me to first ask our patient

Wouldn't it have been interesting if some psychic had actually
told the world on August 12, 1971, during the tenure of the Paul
VI, that an assassination attempt on the life of the second pope
thereafter (John Paul II) was a significant part of the secret
of Fatima, publishing it nine years before the event and while
it was still a deep secret of the Roman Catholic hierarchy?

Wouldn't it be interesting if the predicted assassination
attempt were to occur on May 13, 1981 (the 65th anniversary of
the first Fatima event of May 13, 1916) as if in confirmation
that such was the secret, and if the Pope were to confirm that?

Well, my readings on Fatima predicted exactly that, ten years
and, again, nine years ahead of time.

Can I absolutely prove that? Of course:

The transcriptions of those 1971 and 1972 Fatima readings
through me were published in 1972 in hard-cover under the title,
FATIMA PROPHECY (Association for the Understanding of Man, 1972.
See pages 64-65 and 137-139.), years before Pope John Paul II
was shot in Vatican Square on May 13, 1981! Last I heard, the
book was still in print after all these years, as a mass-market
soft cover, published by Ballentine Books, N.Y. (See pages 98-99
and 190-192 in the mass-market version.)

In fact, on May 13,1981, I was driving to the post office in
Austin, Texas, when news of John Paul II having been shot came
over the radio and I thought, "Oh my God! The readings were

For over a week my phone rang repeatedly with calls from people
saying things like, "Ray! Do you realize that your readings
predicted exactly that Pope's being shot, that it was part of
the secret of Fatima, and it happened on a Fatima anniversary,
as if in confirmation!"

The final confirmation came recently, when John Paul II,
himself, declared that the attempt on his life had been the
fulfillment of the 'secret of Fatima', precisely confirming what
was said in my readings and those of no one else.

John Paul II even pointed out that the assassination attempt was
on the 65th anniversary of the very first apparition at Fatima.

Indeed, having been the only psychic in the world to have
accurately revealed and published the 'secret of Fatima' (as
recently defined by Pope John Paul II), even while the church
held it in secret, makes me confident that contrary to what Dick
Hall seemingly wants List members to believe, I have reason to
respect my psychic ability.

Furthermore, thousands of persons, worldwide, who read the book
containing those readings wrote to say that my readings on the
Fatima secret were, for them, inspiring and life-changing for
the better. I doubt that means a thing to Dick Hall, but it
surely does to me. We have different life values, apparently.

Of course, such declarations by readers are a subjective
evaluation on their part, but the accuracy of my readings'
definition of the deepest 'secret of Fatima' (as now defined by
Pope John Paul II) cannot be in dispute, because the book was in
the U.S. Library of Congress (and in thousands of persons'
homes) years before the Pope was shot on May 13, 1981.

I by no means believe all the 'teachings' in my Fatima readings
and don't think others should, but their accuracy about 'the
Fatima secret', per se, cannot be disputed, since Pope John Paul
II has confirmed that his attempted assassination was, in fact,
the secret, and the date was, meaningfully, the 65th anniversary
of the very first apparition in a field near the town of Fatima,

So, Dick, you have repeatedly tried to discredit me because
several decades ago I gave psychic readings, but I don't think
that is an objective way to access my contributions to human
welfare or even science, be it in Ufology or in Paleontology,
which are really separate issues from religious, spiritual
concerns, or psychic ability. No one is perfect, and I do not
pretend to be, yet I think it only fair to ask that my
contributions to science be evaluated in and of themselves,
without regard to private beliefs you imagine I might have held
in the past.

I am not the wide-eyed, subjective guy you seem to want others
to believe me to be, Dick. Soon after I moved to the D.C. area
my wife and I enjoyed having you out to dinner and then over to
our home afterward. Sometime in the visit, you candidly
declared, "Ray, you are as big a mystery as the UFOs,
themselves!" Truth is, I kind of liked that; but, if you really
meant it (and I believe you did), I suggest you quit pretending
to have me figured out, because you simply haven't a clue as to
the real me.

Does one ask a biologist his religious beliefs or religion
before reading his scientific paper? Does one ask that of a
physicist? Of course not! If you have any evidence that my or
anyone's contributions should not be examined free of prejudice
concerning our personal world-views or religions, I suggest you
present it now or cease the innuendo for sake of your own

If you have some private revelation that psychic ability or
phenomena are non-existent and that those who may believe in or
experience them are somehow hopelessly flawed, then that, in
itself, is a religious revelation that you might want to hide in
your pantry with cupcakes or pipe tobacco.

If, on the other hand, you have a testable hypothesis supporting
that, I suggest you publish it for peer review. Otherwise, you
are no better than Pat Robertson, preaching that psychic
phenomena are the work Satan.

But, thanks for bringing up the subject. As a result, maybe some
readers have learned something that they might find interesting.

And for those of you who got through it, thanks for 'listening'.

Ray Stanford

"You know my method. It is founded upon the observance of
trifles." -- Sherlock Holmes in The Boscombe Valley Mystery

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