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Re: The Beveridge UFO - Velez

From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic.nul>
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 14:23:32 -0500
Fwd Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 14:45:08 -0500
Subject: Re: The Beveridge UFO - Velez

>From: Ray Stanford <dinotracker.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 11:23:13 -0500
>Subject: Re: The Beveridge UFO

>>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:42:17 -0500
>>Subject: Re: The Beveridge UFO


>>I demand a public apology for the way you have spoken to me,
>>and as for _your_ 'alleged' credentials, I await copies.

You respond:

>No need to send me copies, as I am inclined to accept what you

It's easy to say that after the fact isn't it? You have been in
receipt of my credentials for two days.

Ray, you not only insulted my intelligence, you have insinuated
that I have been much less than honest about myself, my work
related experience and my education. In essence calling me a
liar. I have worked very hard for many years to gain the trust
and confidence of my peers. People who know me, know that there
is value to my 'word' and that I am a frank and honest person.
You seem to think that what you have done to me in public by
insulting my intelligence and implying that I have lied about my
background and education is somehow acceptable and 'no big
deal.' Well, I've got a news flash for you... it's not 'ok.'

For the last time, I _demand_ a public apology, (here, in the
same forum in which you insulted me and called into question my
honesty and intelligence) and I hope that it will be sincere.
You need to realize the gravity of what you have done. More, it
would be nice if you would assure me that it will not ever
happen again.

>As to apology, you have spoken much more harshly to me at
>times, but I have never demanded an apology from you.

Apologize for what? Because I told you in public (on this List)
what I thought of you for badmouthing, (gossiping about) Dick
Hall to me behind his back? I don't think very much of people
who behave the way you do, Ray and I said so. That is where all
this is coming from. I didn't want to hear what you had to say
and when you refused to stop I was forced to flag you on it in
public. It worked. You stopped.

Now, I hear from you again. And you are writing to me to infer;
a. that I am too stupid to understand the complicated nature of
the 'science' that you are involved in and that I have been less
than honest about my background and education. It just keeps
getting better and better every time I come into contact with

>We both
>tend to 'shot from the hip'. But it would be nice if we can
>restrain ourselves from shooting at each other, because I think
>we're both fairly good shots. :)

Really? From where I sit, you missed me by a country mile. I
am _exactly_ who I say I am. You inferred otherwise. A public
apology is in order.

You are sadly mistaken about me. You were wrong.

Apologize - in public.

John Velez

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