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Re: The Beveridge UFO - Stanford

From: Ray Stanford <dinotracker.nul>
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 11:23:13 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:25:28 -0500
Subject: Re: The Beveridge UFO - Stanford

>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:42:17 -0500
>Subject: Re: The Beveridge UFO


>I demand a public apology for the way you have spoken to me,
>and as for _your_ 'alleged' credentials, I await copies.

No need to send me copies, as I am inclined to accept what you
said. As to apology, you have spoken much more harshly to me at
times, but I have never demanded an apology from you. Also, few
respond well to angry demands, and I am among them.

In fact, by now, you are surely aware that what Errol first
posted from me concerning you was something entirely accidental
because it was sent before reviewing it for 'cooling' or even
spell checking. I notified Errol of that accident (as he can
tell you), but he had already posted it when I sent him the
'cooler' version which I see posted this morning. (Thanks,

I don't know about you, but I sometimes get upset (as yesterday)
with someone's posting, hastily write a nasty to semi-nasty
response, then think better of it after some cooling and try to
prepare and then send a gentler, kinder version. That is what I
intended to do yesterday, but I accidentally hit the send button
instead of the file (then, the save for later editing) and the
thing didn't even ask me for a spell check (as evident in my
abundant typos and incorrect spellings) but just sent it off to
the list. I didn't even realize what had happened until I went
to find the unedited missive to further work on it. That's when
I realized what had happened and notified Errol, but it was too

You may notice, John, that in the edited version I didn't
question your education, having by then cooled my response to
your post(s) and checked some earlier, saved material and
realizing there was no reason to doubt your education in that
area (but thanks for correcting my inadvertent questioning on
that), even though I still question whether you were right about
pixel drop-out.

In your angry post today, you demand my credentials. I really
don't owe you any explanation,

 but because it has been brought up on-List, I shall explain: My
credentials are only in my scientific achievements, such as the
work I mentioned in my inadvertent posting (yesterday) and the
expanded and edited one Errol posted today. Surely you have read
my posts over the months stating that although I have educated
myself by reading much technical and scientific material on
subjects as wide as plasma physics to paleontology and regularly
read the journals Nature, Science, Meteoritics and Planetary
Science, and even the popularized Science News (because it is
broad-spectrum and references important technical papers), I am
proud to say that academically (formally) I have only a high
school education.

Why am I proud of that?(!) Because many people with only a high
school education stop educating themselves then and there, but I
did not do so. My family was financially very poor because I
father twice had to twice spend many years in tuberculosis
sanatoriums and so we had money to help only one of us identical
twins through college. We chose Rex to go because he was
clearly set on eventually getting a Ph.D. in psychology (which
he got, even going straight from his B.S. degree to a Ph.D. with
no masters degree needed in between and with honors from the
University of Texas, Austin.), while, as to me, I had, since
seventh grade, wanted to become an aerospace engineer designing
better propulsion systems for space travel, but my four-witness
close encounter -- within six feet (about two meters) -- with
an estimated forty-foot (about twelve meters) oblate spheroid
made me quite confused of what I should study in college. UFO
propulsion became the 'apple of my eye', and I decided to do
instrument studies of UFOs and pursued related private studies
and went on to found Project Starlight International in 1964.

(Please, List members, do not confuse my genuine and original
work with Stephen Greer's copycat and notorious "Project

I am proud to say that by 1976, under my direction and with the
generous support of a few well-to-do-bachelors, the project had
assembled the finest array of optical and electronic instruments
ever assembled privately to record UFO optical images (including
light spectra) and electromagnetic and gravitic phenomena
associated with UFOs. We then went on to successfully use those
instruments in the field with well-documented results even
better than I had expected. That work is on-going, despite
erroneous claims by some that it ceased when I moved to Maryland
in February, 1986, and work toward publication of results (with
consultation from physicists, astrophysicists, and aerospace
engineers) is in progress.

Of course, I am also proud of my achievements in paleontology
(described in the earlier postings) which prove that a
dedicated, intelligent person can make major scientific finds,
write good scientific papers, and get published in top-level,
refereed scientific journals and publications even with only a
high school diploma. Fortunately, science does not depend on a
Ph.D. (but that helps, of course) or even a B.S. or a Master's
degree, but upon whether one is really doing meaningful science
or not and knows how to properly discuss and publish it.

I believe that the same can be done in scientific UFOlogy, and I
hope to prove it before very long. I do not believe that
mainstream science is as close-minded to good UFO evidence as
some on this list seem to feel. But scientists are 'political
animals', too, so it's not only what you say, but how you say
it, that counts with that establishment. One must 'speak their
language', and my writing of paleontology papers has been a good
practice at learning the idiom. Let's see what happens.

This may not make you feel any better about me, John Velez, but
I hope so. You see, I agree with a heck of a lot of the things
you say on this List and even with some of the complaints you
make. I note that in at least one way we're alike: We both
tend to 'shot from the hip'. But it would be nice if we can
restrain ourselves from shooting at each other, because I think
we're both fairly good shots. :)

Best Wishes,

Ray Stanford

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