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Re: Harrassment - Has It Happened To You? - Pope

From: Nick Pope <nick.nul>
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:44:04 -0000
Fwd Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 07:23:32 -0500
Subject: Re: Harrassment - Has It Happened To You? - Pope

>From: Greg Boone <Evolbaby.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 23:47:42 EST
>Subject: Re: Harrassment - Has It Happened To You?

>>From: Nick Pope <nick.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 21:38:50 -0000
>>Subject: Re: Harrassment - Has It Happened To You?

>>>From: Greg Boone <Evolbaby.nul>
>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 11:26:54 EST
>>>Subject: Harrassment - Has It Happened To You?

>>I'll give you a slightly different perspective on this, in that
>>I've worked on the UK Ministry of Defence's UFO project, and
>>have had it put to me that my predecessors and I have engaged in
>>such activities.

>>I don't deny that there are some witnesses in the UK who have
>>received visits from military or Ministry of Defence personnel.
>>This doesn't tend to happen now, but did in the past, as part of
>>the investigative process into sightings.

>>I wouldn't rule out the possibility that some witnesses were
>>asked not to talk about their sightings, but I don't think this
>>is necessarily as sinister as it sounds. Particularly in the
>>Fifties and Sixties, I suspect this was a natural consequence of
>>the Cold War mentality and the prevailing culture of secrecy. A
>>firm request not to discuss matters may have been misconstrued
>>as a threat, especially in the case of members of the public who
>>had not had previous dealings with the military.

>>There's another issue to factor in. There have been numerous
>>incidents involving bogus paramedics and ambulance staff, social
>>workers, priests, military personnel, etc. In some cases the
>>deception has been carried out for monetary or sexual reasons.
>>But in other cases, we seem to be dealing with a form of mental
>>disorder. I hesitate to use the phrase 'Walter Mitty', but
>>believe it may be appropriate in this instance. If some people
>>derive gratification from pretending to be paramedics, is it not
>>understandable that others may enjoy pretending to be with a
>>government agency whose job it is to suppress information about
>>UFOs? Films like Men in Black probably don't help here.

>>And I wouldn't entirely rule out the possibility that some
>>people might go to see a witness they'd heard about in the
>>media, pretending to be from a government agency, in order to
>>extract information.

>>I realise that my comments are unlikely to be appreciated by
>>all, but would like to assure List members that I have not been
>>involved in harassing UFO witnesses, and am unaware of any
>>instances where my predecessors or successors have done so.

>Thank you Nick Pope for clearing that up.

>It's very enlightening to get data from the source!

>What you've presented brings alot to the table.

>If your government didn't engage in harrassment or threats against
>UFO witnesses/whistleblowers/researchers etc. Then who did if any?


Elaborating on my previous post, I think that four likely
possibilities are as follows:

Some witnesses were visited by government or military personnel
carrying out perfectly legitimate Blue Book or UK Ministry of
Defence investigations into UFO sightings. Witnesses may have
been asked not to discuss their sightings with anyone else. This
might reflect a Cold War mentality. Alternatively, the
investigators may have been trying to avoid information getting
into the public domain, so that future witness testimony would
not have been contaminated by people being unduly influenced by
something they'd seen in the media. A polite but firm request
along these lines may then have been misinterpreted as something
more sinister.

Some witnesses may have been visited by unscrupulous journalists
or ufologists, trying to elicit details of UFO sightings by
posing as government officials. Such individuals might then tell
witnesses not to discuss the matter with anyone else, firstly to
cover their tracks, and secondly to maximise the chances of a
journalistic or ufological scoop.

Some witnesses may have been visited and threatened by 'Walter
Mitty' characters posing as government employees. There are
plenty of well-documented cases of bogus officials.

Finally, some claims of visits and threats are likely to be

Best wishes,

Nick Pope

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