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Re: Jim Mortellaro

From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg.nul>
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 14:59:40 -0600
Fwd Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 08:48:56 -0500
Subject: Re: Jim Mortellaro

>From: Luis R. Gonzalez <lrgm.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 19:41:42 +0100
>Subject: Re: Jim Mortellaro

>>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 19:01:01 -0500
>>Subject: Re: Jim Mortellaro

>>>From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg.nul>
>>>Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 06:54:22 -0600
>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>Subject: Jim Mortellaro

>>>Mary Sutherland of BUFO:


>>>interviewed "famous abductee" Dr. J. Mortellaro at this address
>>>for around three hours.....

>>Honestly Alfred, who cares about Mortellaro? Really!

>>The one I feel sorry for is Budd. When the day comes that he
>>learns he has been fooled, he'll go through the roof. Let
>>Mortellaro tout his lies without help from any of us.

>>Alfred, that SOB was a plague to me for three years. I'm really
>>glad to finally be rid of him. Please, I'm asking you as a
>>friend, let that rotting corpse continue to mould in the grave
>>without any of us disturbing the soil.

>>In hopes that this is the _last_ time I will ever see his name
>>on this List.

>Just for the record. Are you saying that Budd Hopkins, whose
>investugative skills at detecting fraudulent abductees have been
>receiving laudatory mentions on another threads in this very
>List, is being fooled by Jim Mortellaro about his recent
>abduction with surprising medical evidences and even an
>independent witness?

Mr. Manso...

I can only answer your question in terms of what _I_ believe,
what _I_ think, and what _I_ know. You appear, sir, to want to
boil this thorny issue down into a fallacy of "either/or" with
either Budd Hopkins being *fooled* and therefore fallible or
*not fooled* and therefore infallible. Reality is always more
than just two choices, a plethora of alternatives are usually
available, and we would be remiss in the extreme to even pretend
that there are just two choices here.

I believe that Budd Hopkins is an upfront genuine researcher
with a pioneer's spirit and an explorer's soul. I believe that
he investigates something that is real in the real world,
something with immediate importance to us all, and something
that helps define the future we're all going to have to live in.
I've met the man, heard him speak, read his book, and spoken to
him on the telephone. Forgetting for a moment that -I've- been
wrong before, I believe that Mr. Hopkins has been very
convincing as regards the validity of his over-all work and
cannot be expected to have to demonstrate spot-on, 100% accuracy
in every case. Dr. John Mack, another credible researcher has
had prepared "ringers" slid into his seminars by "Robertsonian
CSICOPians"... I'd predict that Dr. Jacobs has had to endure
similar charlatans, scalawags, and sociopaths. This does not
detract from their over-all contribution, their competency, or
their veracity. I believe, Budd Hopkins -is- the genuine
article, even if a few of his cases are not.

I think that there are legions of psychopaths that would subvert
the work of the aforementioned to their own ends and I produced
a paper on that theme to be found at:


I think some of these 'individuals' do their own research and
can cleverly appropriate the experience and the work of others
to facilitate those scurrilous and disingenuous (by definition)
ends. Some of these persons have been involved with law
enforcement and understand how to contrive an evidentiary or
audit trail to facilitate their bogus claims. I think that some
of these persons have lived their whole lives this way, moving
fretfully from one group of facilitators to another, advantaging
themselves on the work (or experience) of others, and then
moving on when the well of good faith runs dry (or they expose
themselves). I think that some of these persons have become
adept at advantaging themselves on the backs of others and are
as capable of fooling Mr. Hopkins, or Doctors Mack and Jacobs,
as they are of fooling me... or even you, Mr. Manso.

I know that I cannot, in good faith, support the claims of _all_
abductees, credit _all_ their assertions, validate _all_ their
paradigms, provide citation for -all- their experience, or prop
up _all_ their stories in any way. I know that, with some of
these persons, every day that goes by seems to provide another
evidentiary bit, or claim, that strains credulity more and more,
the sum total of which must, eventually, strain that credulity
to the breaking point. I know that some people lie, Mr. Manso,
and moreover, don't even know that they are doing so. I know
that it is very hard for even the practiced adept to ferret
these persons out and so Budd Hopkins (Mack, Jacobs or any other
credible researcher) should not be held accountable and liable
for the good-faith testimony that they receive. Moses and
Solomon can be taken for a ride... as can I... as can you. The
trick is to not be an impacted ideologue - and get off the
*ride* in time.

Don't try to boil this down to mere black and white, Mr. Manso.
Black and white is an abstraction or an allegory that does not
exist in the real world. In reality, everything is gray.
Moreover, at the denouement I'm sure that Mr. Hopkins will be
shown to be a lot more *right* than he was *wrong* (whatever
that means). That's what I believe, what I think, and what I


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