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Re: Tracing The Flow Of The Gulf Breeze Money -

From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac.nul>
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 08:31:38 -0500
Fwd Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 11:31:00 -0500
Subject: Re: Tracing The Flow Of The Gulf Breeze Money -

>From: Kenny Young <ufo.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 02:53:39 -0500
>Subject: Re: Tracing The Flow Of The Gulf Breeze Money

>>From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 14:27:40 +0000
>>Subject: Re: Tracing The Flow Of The Gulf Breeze Money

>>If Ed Walters had given money to the Fund (especially in the
>>large sums alleged) for investigation of his photos, I certainly
>>would have known about it. This allegation is flatly untrue. The
>>Fund's financial transactions all are a matter of public record.

>>I am skeptical of Ed Walters and his photos, but not of Bruce
>>Maccabee whom I have know for 40 years since he was a young
>>graduate student volunteering time for NICAP. His integrity is
>>unquestioned. People can disagree about interpretations honestly
>>and honorably without having to impute dishonesty.

>UFO UpDates List folk:

>Jerry Black has a response to the comments by Richard Hall.
>These are his words as I have transcribed by telephone this
>evening -- Kenny


>Mr. Hall;

>I appreciate your comments and your remarks are so noted. I have
>the utmost respect for you and your work in the UFO field.

>In my earlier response, I said the money Ed Walters gave to
>MUFON to support his Gulf Breeze investigation went from
>"either/or" MUFON/FUFOR to Bruce Maccabee. In my statement, I
>said "either/or." However, I take your word that The Fund for
>UFO Research is not involved and did not receive money from Ed
>Walters. The evidence is very clear that Bruce Maccabee received
>the money directly from MUFON given to them by Ed Walters.

What evidence is "very clear"? You have the claim by Vicki Lyons
and Rex Salsbury that Ed paid some money to MUFON. They don't
know how much. (I conjecture that it wasn't much, but I don't
know.) Did Lyons and Salisberry say MUFON then paid me or is
that conjecture on your part? I received no money from MUFON,
although MUFON did cover my expenses to attend the MUFON
symposium in July (MUFON always pays the expenses of the
speakers.) They probably also paid me an honorarium for speaking
(typically $100.00).

>I can understand you having respect for a friend that you have
>known for 40 years. However, the evidence is very clear. Mr.
>Bruce Maccabee may have not have been totally honest when he
>said that he did not know that Ed Walters had given money to
>MUFON for the sole purpose of investigating the Gulf Breeze

>If Vicky Lyons and Charles Flannagan both had this information,
>it would be illogical to think Mr. Maccabee would not have known
>this. The telephone call between Rex Salisberry and Ed Walters
>affirms that the payment was made and certainly Maccabee should
>have known.

Perhaps Vicki or Rex can also state the amount?

At any rate, I didn't receive any money from MUFON.

Since you have not liked my conclusion that Ed Walters case is
real you are alleging that my conclusion is a result of a large
"payoff" by Walters to me through either MUFON or the FUND. This
is a serious charge which I deny.

Meanwhile, there is the case itself: all of the sightings and
photos, etc. You have presented arguments against the case in
the past but for some reason your arguments have degenerated to
baseless allegations. Where is the UFO science in that?

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