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Re: Tracing The Flow Of The Gulf Breeze Money -

From: Robert Gates <RGates8254.nul>
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 02:54:56 EST
Fwd Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 11:21:00 -0500
Subject: Re: Tracing The Flow Of The Gulf Breeze Money -


>From: Kenny Young <ufo.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 02:05:56 -0500
>Subject: Re: Tracing The Flow Of The Gulf Breeze Money

>I called Jerry about the questions after his post to UpDates.
>Jerry asked that I type some answers on his behalf. These are
>his words in response to questions by Robert Gates, as I have
>re-typed them and verified by Jerry over the telephone this
>evening

>-----

>>From: Robert Gates <RGates8254.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 02:14:08 EST
>>Subject: Re: Tracing The Flow Of The Gulf Breeze Money

>>>From: Jerry Black <gulfbreezeinfo.nul>
>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 19:13:29 -0800 (PST)
>>>Subject: Tracing The Flow Of The Gulf Breeze Money

><snip>

>>Jerry,

>>I read with interest your piece and was disappointed as it
>>appears to be a bunch of allegations that don't have any
>>details substantiated. I would like to ask some questions
>>and get a detailed straight answer.

>>What date and exactly how much did Ed Walters give money to
>>MUFON/FUFOR? What was the context of the money? Donation? - Do
>>you have a copy of any agreement/email/letter and or
>>communication between Ed Walters and or Walt Andrus?


>Jerry Black responds:

>Vicky Lyons and Charles Flannigan both confirmed to Rex
>Salisberry that MUFON received money from Ed Walters for the
>purpose of subsidizing the investigation of the Gulf Breeze
>sightings. This was later confirmed in a phone conversation
>between Ed Walters and Rex Salisberry. Ed Walters said that he
>had paid money to the MUFON organization to support the
>investigation. He also said that he had shared part of his
>proceeds of the book royalties with Mr. Maccabee.

Dear Kenny, Jerry, List,

So essentially we have Lyons and Flannigan telling Salisberry
that MUFON got some kind of cash donation; we also have Ed
Walters allegedly telling Rex Salisberry this as well. So
essentially the key to all three of these exterior storys is Rex
Salisberry...whom we know has his own bias about the case.

>We do not have an exact figure how much Walters gave. I do not
>have copies of checks or E-mails.

So essentially its rumor/gossip and inuendo at this point, until
verified or not verified.

>The amount of money was rumored to be between ten to twenty
>thousand dollars.

Did anybody get a copy of the MUFON annual tax return which is
public record for the year in question which could shed light to
the large donation theory?

>From page 70 of Carol and Rex Salisberry's comprehensive report
>entitled "Anatomy of the Gulf Breeze - Ed Walters UFO Case," Rex
>states: "We were told by Vicky Lyons, who witnessed the original
>investigation, that Walters had paid for some of the
>investigative costs incurred early during the investigation.
>This troubled us because this appeared to be something which had
>been hidden by MUFON."

Essentially we have Vicky Lyons wagging a story on Salisberry
and apparently Salisberry never bothered to verify it further.
Without verification this is essentially another Roswellesque
"jewel encrusted helmet" story.

By their own account the phrase "some investigative costs"
apparently has morphed by somebody into allegedly paying
somebody 10/20K.

The problem with that is absolutly no proof of anything without
copies of MUFON checks to investigators and even then it will be
tough to present a case. Assuming Walters unloaded a sizeable
cash donation on MUFON, then anybody connected with the Gulf
Breeze case could have "received money that came from Ed
Walters" and whatever story they come up with no matter which
side could also be considered contaminated.

Years ago I recall a story then attributed to Walt Andrus that
MUFON also reembursed/paid for some of the expenses incured by
Salisberry and Hyzer. Bottom line is you would have to see the
MUFON checks to see who got paid what and when.

>>Do you have a copy of the letter Walters allegedly wrote to
>>Hyzer and or Salisbery about the photos? Do you know for a fact
>>that he (Walters) had the report in his hands, meaning that
>>somebody at MUFON received the reports from Hyzer/Salisbery,
>>promptly over nighted them to Walters? Timing would be critical
>>here. One could almost conclude that somebody up the vine just
>>pickup the phone and call Walters about something in one of the
>>reports.

>Ed Walters wrote a letter to photoanalyst William G. Hyzer
>telling him that he did not have permission to use his Gulf
>Breeze photos because they were copyrighted. This is according
>to Mr. Hyzer as he told me by telephone. Hyzer was surprise and
>upset because it was his understanding that the information
>given in his report was to be directed only to the MUFON
>director Walt Andrus and the information not to be arbitrarily
>given out to Walters, the claimant.

>Hyzer received the reply from Ed Walters within 48 hours of
>issuing his less than favorable report. Ed Walters sent this
>letter via special delivery "Air Mail" to Hyzer within 48-hours
>of Hyzer delivering his report to MUFON.

>Common sense would dictate that if Ed Walters responded in 48-
> hours after the Hyzer report was sent to Walt Andrus, that
>Walters certainly must have been given the - conclusion of the
>report almost immediately.

My point exactly. If this is all correct Ed may not have even
had a copy of the report, just that somebody called him and read
a segment of the report, and or asked a question for
clarification purposes. In essence we can't connect the dots and
make the claim that Ed Walters received a copy of the report, we
can only say that the evidence suggests that he had at least
been told the conclusions of the report and or been advised that
Hyzer was using his copyrighted photographs.


Cheers,

Robert




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