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Re: The Beveridge UFO - Ledger

From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 22:13:12 -0400
Fwd Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 11:00:24 -0500
Subject: Re: The Beveridge UFO - Ledger

>From: Ray Stanford <dinotracker.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 12:57:54 -0500
>Subject: Re: The Beveridge UFO - Ledger

>>From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 23:29:45 -0400
>>Subject: Re: The Beveridge UFO


>>Yeah? Who decided it was a bug?

>I, for one, did, but only after careful image analysis and
>consideration of a host of other 'possibilities', even though at
>first glimpse I fancied we might be looking at something less
>prosaic, like, say, a cartoonist's version of a 'UFO'. I have
>heard from others on this List who feel the same way.

>That doesn't mean I expect those who might enjoy perceiving (or
>have some inner need to perceive) a UFO in the image to agree,
>however. Everyone has a right to their own perceptive paradigm.

>In my opinion, however, one who tries to let go of his or her
>expectations or hopes in analyzing an image and just asks, "What
>is most likely to have produced that image? What am I really
>looking at, there?" is far more likely to accurately determine
>what created an image than anyone with a hope or wish at what
>might be there.

>I am, of course, not asking you, Don, or anyone else to
>necessarily agree with my conclusion about what the image shows,

Yeah, well what's the reason for the gentle brow beating in the
2nd and 3rd paragraphs. If you want to argue your case leave the
"inner need" BS out of it and we can take it from there. I don't
hang on UFO pics to round out my life, don't have some deep need
to believe in them. What I have a deep need for is a new

I've been to your site and Amy's and in your case I've seen
nothing there to make me believe that this is a bug. I don't see
legs either.

And Amy's method of using a dupe to emmulate a bug does't sit
well with me either. What you end up with there is a bug created
by using the outlines of something that might be anomalous. Put
wings on a pig and it's still a pig with wings.

If she could show me an actual picture of a bug that could
definitly be proved to be a bug that comes close to matching the
Beverage UFO, then zip I'm there. Otherwise either way it's just
a theory and not definitive. But consider this, it only takes a
few feet of distance to blow your bug out of the picture. I've
seen no estimate of distance for this bug to show up in the
picture-and in focus. The camera probably was set for
infinityand that bug would have been unseen at say 4 feet or
cloase. out past that and it's getting to be a big bug.

>but I trust you understand my plea for an objective examination
>of what might realistically be the source of the image. I have
>seen domed, daylight discs and successfully movie-filmed several
>such objects, so I have no reason to, a priori, reject the
>possibility that someone else might have photographed one (even
>if he didn't notice anything unusual). Realistically, however, I
>must say that the image shown looks to me a heck of a lot more
>like a unfocused, flying bug (I think I may be able to made out
>some unfocused images of some of the bug's legs, too) than any
>domed UFO I have ever seen and filmed, first hand, or accepted
>as possibly real in seemingly credible photos made by others.

>Finally, whatever one makes of this photo, both its
>circumstance (unseen) and the lack of unambiguous image content
>make it next to useless, or probably utterly useless, in
>elucidating the 'UFO mystery' in its classical sense.

That may be. It's a bit amazing don't you think, that these
things never show up in the proper manner, making it easier to
determine what they are.

>Thus, I second the motion of others who have suggested we move
on to hopefully more meaningful issues.

I think this issue will do well enough for me for the time
being, but that's up to the List and its Moderator. I'd be happy
knowing for sure in what direction the photographer was facing.
I don't believe West.

Don Ledger

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