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Re: Houston, British Columbia - 12-08-03

From: Ray Stanford <dinotracker.nul>
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 11:04:53 -0500
Fwd Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 15:06:47 -0500
Subject: Re: Houston, British Columbia - 12-08-03

>From: Brian Vike - HBCC UFO <hbccufo.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:14:40 -0800
>Subject: Houston, British Columbia - 12-08-03

>Hi List

>Since I am at it, I figured I would fire this report along as
>well. I am sorry if I had posted this before, but I don't
>believe it made it through. Now the folks are extremely
>credible, business owners here in town. Not ones to make up a
>story. Of course who knows for certain. Anyway, another
>interesting one from Houston, B.C.

>I was about to look around the area since sparks were noted
>coming from the object, but it didn't help with a new batch of
>snow on the ground.

>Take care


>Houston, British Columbia

>Date: December 8, 2003
>Time: approx: 8:45 p.m.

>I was stopped today in the mall and pulled off to the side. A
>lady who I know very well wanted to tell me about something she
>and her husband and two children witnessed on December 8, 2003
>at approx: 8:45 p.m.

>Her husband had just picked her up from a friends house and they
>arrived back home shortly after. They pulled into their long
>driveway only to see the two kids standing outside yelling and
>pointed towards the mountain behind their home. The husband
>stopped the car quickly and both parents jumped out in fear as
>they had no idea what was wrong, thinking the worst. They almost
>immediately noticed a white oval shaped object sitting
>stationary over the back of their property.

>The oval shaped object had a solid ring of blue lights which
>seemed to be moving around the white colored object. A slight
>and annoying hum could be heard coming from it. The Mother went
>over and grabbed the two children and went into the house with
>them, Dad followed close behind. They thought it would be safer
>than standing outside as they had no idea what is was they were
>looking at. Once inside the home, they proceeded to a back
>bedroom, closed the door behind them as not to allow any light
>from inside the home to give away where they were. (feeling
>frightened at this time)


Thanks, Brian,

That's an interesting report, being (at least at face value) to
my mind the most important you have submitted of late, for
several reasons:

(1) The object was close enough that an unusual sound ("a slight
and annoying hum") was heard which seemingly does not resemble
that made by any known aircraft.

That said, based on careful questioning of the witnesses, could
you be more specific about the perceived nature, pitch, and
anything else the witnesses might describe about the hum. For
example, did anyone compare it to any specific and more familiar
hum such as a large electric generator, a refrigerator running,
an automobile engine running at a distance, or whatever? If you
do not have their best possible characterization of the hum,
please inquire further. Also, did all witnesses notice the hum?
If not, please separate the hearers and non-hearers by age (or
any other factor you might find potentially significant) for us.

(2) A ring of blue light was visible around the otherwise white object.

That said, some clarification seems in order because you reported:

>The oval shaped object had a solid ring of blue lights which
>seemed to be moving around the white colored object.

The clarification is needed because you said, "...a solid ring",
yet the plural "lights" was used. So, what did you mean in
calling it a solid ring of blue lights? If the ring of light
were really solid (a continuous ring), I doubt you would have
used the plural, "lights". Did you perhaps mean that there was a
continual (as contrasts with solid) series of blue lights around
the object? And, did you mean around a rim, as is often reported
of seemingly disc-shaped UFOs, or did you mean around it as a
ring around an oval or ellipsoidal object, say around it, top-
to-bottom, or how?

I ask for clarification on that because a particular
configuration of blue lights might tend to suggest
magnetohydrodynamic propulsion, diagnostic evidence of which my
project has filmed and magnetometrically recorded in operation
around some daylight UFOs. A different arrangement of blue
lights, however, might provide clues applicable to a different

Also, I would like it if you could question each witness about
the specific color of blue ring of light(s?) separately, so they
just do not tend to confirm a specific description by another
witness questioned beforehand. That is a human tendency and it
happens with honest witnesses in even close-range sightings, so
one must be cautions if one wants an objective description by
each witness independently. Preferably, use of a standard color
chart in getting such a description would be helpful, because a
witness who sees a series of color samples (in this case of
various hues of blue) tends to have memory triggered much more
accurately by looking at the colors and choosing the correct one
than just by trying to recall (without such visual aid) the
color and describe it. Furthermore, the specific color pointed
out on a chart is a vastly more precise description for an
analyst than is, for example, "...it was a light, middle blue".

Did the color of the ring of blue light(s?) alter in any way as
the object lifted up and then disappeared or flew over the hill
(if that's what happened)? If so, in what way?

Likewise, did the central white "oval" alter color in any way?
If so, in what way?

Finally, Brian, you reported that the ring of blue light(s?):

>...seemed to be moving around the white colored object...<

I take it that your use of the term "...seemed to be moving
around..." might mean that the ring might actually have
consisted on a sequencing ring of blue light sources, since
unless lights were sequencing somewhat like an old theater
marquee there would likely have been no such impression. Is my
interpretation of your report correct? If so, could you obtain
witness estimates of the rate at which the light pattern gave
the appearance of circling, or at least an estimate of the rate
at which individual light sources might have been on and then

The kind of data I request may not mean much of anything to some
on this list, but to any who, like me, are concerned about what
physics might be involved, the kind of information requested can
be helpful, if the observers are good observers and careful
reporters of what they think they observed, and if the
investigator is careful.

I would like to compare what those observers noticed to what my
project and I have filmed of daylight UFOs with sequencing
bluish emission patterns around them, so any help you might be
able to provide would be deeply appreciated.

Also, I want to thank you, Brian, for so consistently and
faithfully reporting cases you investigate to this List. I wish
that more persons were able and willing to get out 'into the
field' as you are consistently doing. Some of us might
interview, screen cases, and report somewhat differently than
you do, but by golly, it is the doers like you, Brian, who
actively investigate, rather than the desktop pontificators, who
deserve the most and brightest UFOlogical 'stars in their


Ray Stanford

"You know my method. It is founded upon the observance of
trifles." -- Sherlock Holmes in The Boscombe Valley Mystery

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