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Re: "Sight Unseen:" Distortions and Innuendos -

From: Luis R. Gonzalez <lrgm.nul>
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 16:20:08 +0100
Fwd Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 14:56:35 -0500
Subject: Re: "Sight Unseen:" Distortions and Innuendos -

>From: Katharina Wilson Wilson <K_Wilson.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 14:57:06 -0500
>Subject: "Sight Unseen:" Distortions and Innuendos

>>From: Luis R. Gonzalez <lrgm.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 10:10:45 +0100
>>Subject: Re: "Sight Unseen:" Distortions and Innuendos

First at all, I am happy we have clarified your misunderstanding
and that you have decided to continue our exchange in a calm,
and rational manner.

Please, remember that I was questioning not the alleged facts,
but Hopkins & Rainey's interpretation of them as invisibility and
teleportation. Curiously, you did not mention the 12-letters word.

You are sure of your memories, but being sure does not improve
one iota their exactitude, I can even argue that it worsen it.

>You also seemed to make an issue of my telephoning my
>husband from the airport as opposed to my hotel room as I
>normally do.

>I don't know what to make of that. (?) So, I called him from the
>airport instead. I think I told him I would call as soon as I
>got to the airport - Just in case anyone wants to know, I also
>telephoned him when I got to my room.

>It may have been my feelings of being panicked, perhaps I just
>wanted to hear his voice? But, in my opinion, it does not have
>any particular bearing on the facts of the case except for the
>amount of time I was on the phone, which was not long at all,
>about two or three minutes.

So, you don't see it. Surely my fault, I probably did not
explain myself properly. Let me try again.

Hopkins wrote (quoting you):

"We arrived at O'Hare a few minutes early, because I remember
looking at my watch and seeing that it was 2:10 Portland time"


"After I left the rest room I saw some pay phones and remembered
that I promised to call my husband after the plane landed.
Usually, I don't call him till I get to my hotel room, but this
time I called him right away. I was extremely agitated, and the
first thing he said was: "I see your plane was late getting to
Chicago". I looked at my watch and it read about 3:20 Portland

My experience as an occasional air traveller is that getting out
of the plane, collecting the luggage, taking the transportation
to the nearby city, collecting the keys at the hotel, and
reaching the room, usually take much more than 1 hour. So, if
you usually call your husband from the hotel, when he received
your call, he has not any reasonable reason to suppose your
plane was late. To him, you were calling from the hotel, and the
delay was completely reasonable.

Do you see the incongruency?

This part of the incident cannot had happened exactly as you
recall, and if you are wrong here, you can be wrong in other
things (or not).

Of course, the explanation could be as simple as he asking an
hypothetical question ("Did the plane arrive late?") and you
interpreting it as an affirmation. But even in this favourable
case, your recall is not precise. And I defend it does have a
bearing in the case.

So, if you admit that your conversation took a couple of
minutes, and you insist that your clock did show the same time
(3:20) at the luggage reclaim area, I would bid for a simpler EM
effect (clock stoppage), because teleportation would not be
enough, it should had been time travel!


>>I do not know what happened to you. But I cannot avoid my
>>surprise. As I said at the beginning, I really considered you a
>>serious and intelligent person (and before you say so, I do
>>_not_ think you are hoaxing anything). So, it really surprise me
>>that such an intelligent person would be unable to make a
>>"reality check" at the restroom: stop and look clearly for her
>>reflection in any mirror, touch anybody, etc. If what Hopkins
>>wrote about your incident is precise, it really shows that you
>>were far more agitated and confused that you really acknowledge.

>I am a serious person (and am always trying to improve my
>intelligence). Coming from the perspective of a non-abductee and
>a non-abduction researcher, I can understand why you would want
>a "reality check" in the bathroom.

I consider myself an abduction researcher, even if I have never
been able to talk at length with any alleged abductee. In any
case, it is not I who should want a "reality check", you
yourself should be looking for it.

>First, I am not the kind of person who would go up and touch a
>complete stranger in a bathroom.

>I am not sure about seeing myself in the mirror because checking
>my appearance was the last thing on my mind at that time.

Please, we are not talking about checking your appearance or
doing strange things in a bathroom, we are talking about a
person who after having dozen of alleged aliens encounters in
all kind of circunstances (even MILABS, if I do not recall
wrongly), finding herself panicking because the automatic
faucets are not registering her, is unable to control herself
the few seconds needed to look at a mirror and confirm (or not)
if she is really invisible! If after suffering so many strange
incidents in my life, I would find myself in a similar
situation, I will not hesitate to touch somebody in the shoulder
and politely ask her anything, or even bump premeditately
against some person, offering later whatever excuses I may need.
Or many other "reality checks" anybody can think in the spur of
the moment. The only reason I cam imagine not to do so is being
so much agitated and unnerved not to trust anything I recalled

>For anyone who has been abducted and has conscious recall
>a lot of the time, they can tell you that there is a "presence" or
>a "feeling" beforehand that is sometimes felt. Sometimes one's
>focus is centered on something else just prior to "them" coming.
>I think that is what was occurring on the plane just as were landing.

Yes, I have read about it. Specially significant to me, was Leah
Haley's alarm system, whose only function seemed to be to prime
her about any inminent abduction, almost like the whistle made
with Pavlov's dogs.

>As Budd said in the book, he tried to talk me into going under
>hypnosis for this event and for the book, but I declined. I have
>not undergone hypnosis since 1988. It's just a personal

I completely back you in such decision.

>I hope people will still be interested in this book - you still
>haven't heard my host's side of the story, and there are plenty
>of other good cases written about in "Sight Unseen."

Now that you mention it, I also find something not normal in
your host actions. Allegedly, they were so concerned that they
checked with United Airlines, but did not even try to call you
through the loudspeakers. Besides, in a so busy airport, I do
not think a luggage carrousel could be get unused for an hour,
your red suitcase going around for a full 60 minutes. I am sure
a better estimation of your missing time would be less than 30

In the end, what I am really questioning is Hopkins' attitude to
consider anything strange in the life of an abductee as
originated with the aliens.

Luis R. Gonzalez Manso

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