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Re: Michael J. Woods On NASA's Motives - Fleming

From: Lan Fleming <lfleming5.nul>
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:15:43 -0600
Fwd Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 07:43:00 -0500
Subject: Re: Michael J. Woods On NASA's Motives - Fleming

>From: Ray Stanford <dinotracker.nul>
>To: UFO Updates <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 17:17:42 -0500
>Subject: Re: Michael J. Woods On NASA's Motives - Stanford


>I think the link below gives us a fairly good idea of why NASA
>received the data from Northwest Airlines. If it make us all as
>airline passengers potentially safer from scumbags (to borrow a
>term from John Walsh of America's Most Wanted) and potentially
>dangerous psychotics, I may not worry too much, while admitting
>that it really seems more than just a wee bit out of NASA's
>purview! Let each decide for himself or herself, however:


The balance between security and liberty is certainly a very
complex issue, but there are two things I find very troubling
about the actions of NASA and the airlines:

First, the information was sent by the airlines to NASA covertly
without the knowledge of the passengers. While I don't
particularly enjoy going through metal detectors at airports, I
understand why it's necessary. But I _know_ that I'm going
through a metal detector; it's not done furtively like the NASA
data mining was done before it was exposed by FOIA requests.

Second, nobody seems to have suspected that NASA was involved in
this sort of activity. (From his initial reaction, it seemed to
be as big a surprise to Ray as it was to me). When you go
through the metal detectors at the airport, you know that it's
the proper authorities that are in charge, not some agency you'd
never dream was involved in that sort of surveillance. This is
not what taxpayers assume NASA is spending their money on.

The point more relevant to this list is that NASA is highly
compliant if not totally subservient to the Defense Department
and other government agencies involved with national security
(and sometimes more dubious activities cloaked in the guise of
national security). A recent article on Space.Com about the U2
scandal of the 1950s described how NASA went along with a CIA
scheme to paint the NASA logo on a U2 spy plane to demonstrate
to the news media that the U2 shot down by the Soviets was doing
innocent meteorological work and had merely lost its bearings
and strayed over Russian territories.

This is why I think the idea is overly simplistic that NASA
would eagerly and promptly announce the discovery of evidence of
intelligent life on another planet because of the big budget
increase they would get. I very much suspect that any such
announcement would be cleared with the national security
agencies (such as the NSA) before it was made. If NASA was told
to cover something up in the name of national security, I've
little doubt that they would comply.

Given Ray's own unhappy experience with the Socorro sample he
submitted to NASA for analysis, I would think he might at least
have some mixed feelings in that regard.

BTW: You have my sympathy, Ray, for the personal losses you
wrote about. It sounds like you're going through a tough time


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