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Re: Whittlesea Australia UFO Photograph - Velez

From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic.nul>
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 18:17:31 -0500
Fwd Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 07:52:51 -0500
Subject: Re: Whittlesea Australia UFO Photograph - Velez

>From: Amy Hebert <vanguard.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 13:49:16 -0600
>Subject: Re: Whittlesea Australia UFO Photograph

>>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 16:23:14 -0500
>>Subject: Re: Whittlesea Australia UFO Photograph

>>>From: Dan Bright <ufo.nul>
>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 22:09:29 -0000
>>>Subject: Re: Whittlesea Australia UFO Photograph

>>>Date and time are ascertained from the EXIF data, embedded
>>>within the image.

>>Cheeses, Mary and Joseph! I was going by the EXIF data that I
>>got from the Photoshop reading of the embedded data! And I was
>>jumping all over Amy Hebert about the time. I'm not apologizing
>>though, hell, who knew? I went by the electronic information in
>>the photo itself. As I'm sure others did also.

>I went by the photographer's testimony about the time he took
>the photograph. I have found EXIF time and date data generally

Hello Amy, All,

I wrote:

>>Bruce Maccabee is making some inquiries, let's see what he comes
>>up with. I still would like to know size, distance and speed
>>estimates - if they ever get made.

You respond:

>Actually, I think we are beating a dead horse here and Bruce
>probably has better things to do with his time.

I have to disagree, Amy. Calling the dialog surrounding this most
recent UFO photo 'beating a dead horse' is premature in the
extreme. This photo is far from being something to be put on
a shelf to collect dust or so easily dismissed.

What's the hurry?

Bruce has started asking questions. I for one would like to see
them answered. And then I'd like to hear what Bruce has derived
from the information about the photo. I have asked Diane in Oz
if she would be so kind as to follow up and see if the cameraman
can not be put into direct communication with Bruce. That way he
can get whatever information he may require straight from the
horses mouth. I'd still like to know about details like, size,
distance and speed of the object whose image was captured.
Securing some of those answers will help us a great deal in
resolving some of the disputes about what it may be we are all
looking at. (If not tell us what it is, certainly it will help
us to eliminate a few of the things that have been suggested.)

Way too early to call it a day on this one.

>Personally, I am
>through with the Whittlesea UFO and have filed it under
>"unknown" until some real evidence is forthcoming.

That's what we're hoping to ascertain, Amy. We won't get any
answers at all if everybody follows your lead and 'files it
away' somewhere. Getting answers takes effort/work. It doesn't
matter if we make a few boners along the way or whether we
diagree or not as to what it was that was captured in that
picture. All that matters is that we work hard and hopefully
together, to get the answers that the establishment will never
provide for us.

In other words, if we don't 'do it ourselves' the very real
possibility is; that it will never get done at all. Get off the
bench and get back out here. As long as there are enough of us
willing to do the work, the chances are stronger of getiing
(even a few) answers that we would not have had if we all sat
back and waited for something remarkable to surface of its own
volition. Don't lay down now. Too early for a nap.

>>*Amy: I don't feel the need to apologize for anything I said in
>>regard to the hard data I relied on for my estimations. I came
>>by the information honestly and proceeded accordingly. I make no
>>excuses for any of it. Especially my own perceptions.

>I never expected an apology from you, John. I accept people as
>they are.

Had to lob at least 'one' little insult in there eh? Old habits
are hard to break I suppose.  <g>

>You, John, are the one who approaches not only me but others
>with this tremendous chip on your shoulder.

That's not true at all. Read my communications with others on
the List, Amy. I don't do not suffer fools very well, no excuses
offered for that. I don't take insults very well either. But
then, I've never made any claims of being 'Saint' anybody. Much
less, Saint John.

We _all_ have our faults and shortcomings, Amy. The trick is
always trying to get past all that surface/personality crap for
a peek inside at what is basically the 'good' person within all
(or most) of us.

Don't mistake my impatience with certain things and certain
types of people as signs that I am some kind of 'ogre'. Flaws,
warts and all, I'm really not a 'bad' sort.

Hey, don't take my word for it. Ask a few people who have
actually taken the time to get to know me. Locally, without
going very far you can ask; Errol, Greg Sandow, Dick Hall, Stan
Friedman, GT Mc Coy, Bill Weber, Alfred Lehmberg, Katarina
Wilson and any number of others, all about me. You trust some of
their judgement to some degree don't you? I think you'll find
out that you have seriously, and -wrongly- misjudged me. A lot
of this misunderstanding between us could even be 'cultural'
Amy. You're from the wide open spaces and smiling faces of
Texas, and I'm basically a hard-bitten, born and raised on the
streets of Manhattan city brat. You don a hard outer shell early
in life under 'urban guerilla' conditions. What you may perceive
as a 'chip on my shoulder' may in fact be something else
altogether. Ask some of the folks I suggested, I think you'll be
surprised at the 'positive' feedback.

>We are here for each other and that's what's important.

>Let's just have fun and help each other learn. OK?

That's a good place to start. Count me in.



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