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Re: Whittlesea Australia UFO Photograph - Hebert

From: Amy Hebert <vanguard.nul>
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 13:49:16 -0600
Fwd Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 16:41:16 -0500
Subject: Re: Whittlesea Australia UFO Photograph - Hebert

>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 16:23:14 -0500
>Subject: Re: Whittlesea Australia UFO Photograph

>>From: Dan Bright <ufo.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 22:09:29 -0000
>>Subject: Re: Whittlesea Australia UFO Photograph

>>Date and time are ascertained from the EXIF data, embedded
>>within the image.

>Cheeses, Mary and Joseph! I was going by the EXIF data that I
>got from the Photoshop reading of the embedded data! And I was
>jumping all over Amy Hebert about the time. I'm not apologizing
>though, hell, who knew? I went by the electronic information in
>the photo itself. As I'm sure others did also.

Hi, John:

I went by the photographer's testimony about the time he took
the photograph. I have found EXIF time and date data generally

I often rely on my daughter's digital camera as a back-up to my
digital camcorder because she gets pictures from other angles
while I videotape family get-togethers, etc. (I am an avid
scrapbooker/photo-album buff - "Precious Memories" is my little
business site, under construction). My daughter _never_ sets the
time and date correctly on her camera so I've learned to never
use the EXIF date/time data for her pictures. She's an amazing
artist tho!

>>Apologies for the mistake!

>It's allowed, Dan. No apology necessary really, we're all human
>here. I 'think!" :)

I agree, no apologies necessary, Dan. I think Dan did an outstanding
job and had the guts to admit his mistake. You da man, Dan! ;>

>Bruce Maccabee is making some inquiries, let's see what he comes
>up with. I still would like to know size, distance and speed
>estimates - if they ever get made.

Actually, I think we are beating a dead horse here and Bruce
probably has better things to do with his time. Personally, I am
through with the Whittlesea UFO and have filed it under
"unknown" until some real evidence is forthcoming.

We can speculate all day as to whether it 'looks' like a bird, a
bug or "flying saucer" but the bottom line is...we _do not_ know
what it was or was not. I prefer to spend my time working on
images and sightings with better photographs/video footage, at
least one eye-witness that actually saw the UFO (preferrably
multiple witnesses) and data that gives us clues as to what is
really going on.

>*Amy: I don't feel the need to apologize for anything I said in
>regard to the hard data I relied on for my estimations. I came
>by the information honestly and proceeded accordingly. I make no
>excuses for any of it. Especially my own perceptions.

I never expected an apology from you, John. I accept people as
they are.

>However, I want you to know that if you didn't always approach
>me in such a mean-spirited way as you do, insulting me every
>step of the way in each and every post, that a. you would not
>receive the 'in kind' responses that you get from me, and b.
>being a true gentleman you 'may have' gotten an apology out of

You, John, are the one who approaches not only me but others
with this tremendous chip on your shoulder. As I've said before,
I refuse to stoop to that level - it gets us no where. I'm here
to discuss the information, that's all.

I understand now that you feel "insulted" when I disagree with
your contentions. Believe me, John, if I felt the need to insult
you, I would do so in such a way there would be no doubts as to
my intentions. I simply see this forum as a place to discuss and
debate, not argue and accuse.

If you could see my face in person during our discussions, you
would see me smiling and even laughing. I never take life that
seriously, it's too damned short. We are here for each other and
that's what's important. Please don't take it all so personally,
I don't. Let's just have fun and help each other learn. OK?



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