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Re: Whittlesea Australia UFO Photograph - Hatch

From: Larry Hatch <larryhatch.nul>
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 01:39:30 -0800
Fwd Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 09:13:11 -0500
Subject: Re: Whittlesea Australia UFO Photograph - Hatch

>From: Diane Harrison <auforn.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul,
>Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:36:43 +1000
>Subject: Re: Whittlesea Australia UFO Photograph

>>From: Larry Hatch <larryhatch.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 13:26:44 -0800
>>Subject: Re: Whittlesea Australia UFO Photograph


Hello Diane!

Please see inserted notes below .. -LH


>Just talked to Peter Taylor the reporter

>Roland was facing west when he took the picture so the object
>was in the west. Sun rises in the east sets in the west
>approximate time 2.00 pm . The train was running to the right in
>the image it had just left Melbourne.

Ah! Then the train was headed North. If that was from left to
right from the vantage point of the photographer, then he had to
be facing West.

>>>The railway line that is present in the image probably runs
>>>South to North (Melbourne to Epping). The sun would be to the
>>>West (North would be to the right of the image). This
>>>corresponds with the shadows that are visible te ground.

>Dan your above assumption appears to be correct.

>I have to say, regardless of what this object is everyone has
>done a fantastic job of trying to identify it and it just goes
>to show how everyone's efforts are just as important as the next

>>>The precise pattern and intensity of reflection and shadow on
>>>the object would surely depend upon it's precise shape,
>>>dimensions, attitude, altitude, surface material, atmospheric
>>>haze, so on and so forth, which of course we don't know.

>I agree

>>>For what it's worth, I've also done a few test renders of a
>>>domed disk in various positions (with the sun set as stated


>>Hello Dan, Amy, John:

>>The orientation of the camera seems paramount. What precise
>>direction was the camera facing when the shot was taken?

>He was facing west Larry.

>The railway runs north to south Melbourne to New South Wales.

OK! Then it can _not_ be the yellow line on this map (look North
from the grey box for central Melbourne ..) but rather the _red_
line going thru Craigieburn, Donnybrook, Beveridge .. Wandong
etc. and beyond. Is this correct at least?



>>Since the highway crossing is identified as Beveridge Road, I
>>presume that road runs roughly East-West, and that the
>>photographer had to be facing either East or West (plus/minus so
>>many degrees of course.)


>>As this is/was Summer time in Australia, I would expect the Sun
>>to be high in the Northern skies at Noon, and well off to the
>>West of that by 14:52 hours (nearly 3:00 PM).

>Correct on NSW & VIC times due to daylight saving.

>>I'm at a loss here. Can somebody in the Melbourne area get a few
>>important data points for us?

>>1) Where precisely is the location of this railway crossing?

>Due East of Beverage township by 6lkm and 30 to 40klm direct
>north of Melbourne.

Sixty One kilometers east of Beveridge? Did you mean 6.1 km?
Please refer to that same map (link above) again. 61 km East of
Beveridge (as shown) would put you way east of Whittlsea.

>>2) Do the tracks run N-S as the map seems to indicate?

>Yes it does almost along side the M31 called the Hume Hwy
>which runs due west of Beverage by 2 to 3 klm.

>>3) Which way does Beveridge Road run? E-W as I
>>might presume?

>The township of Merriang due east before Beverage and is due
>north to Whittlesea which is some 10klm northeast of either.

>>3) Which way was the photographer facing?

>West toward Beverage township - population of Beverage
>approximately 200 to 300 hundred. It has 2 local pubs one of
>which is the local shop for everything.

I'm sure they have Beverages too, but isn't the town named
Beveridge? That's what shows on the map.

In any case, I hope nobody minds if somebody goes out there
independantly, confirms the location by comparing to the news
photo, verifies the orientation of the camera, and tidies up the
exact spot. News reporters are famous for screwing up things
like this.

This sounds like an ideal use for a GPS unit BTW. I wish I had
one just to play with, rather expensive still.

I hope nobody relies on a magnetic compass of all things! Go to
any large sporting goods store. Lay one of each type on the
counter. No two will point in the same direction. A good local
map will do, I mean a professionally produced one with an arrow
indicating North etc., and not some rag showing directions to a
night club or whatever.

Is Beveridge/Beverage township quite far from the station shown
on the rail map above? Maybe that could explain the 61
kilometres perhaps?

Sorry for all the questions, I hate geographical loose ends.

Best wishes

- Larry Hatch


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