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Re: UFO ROUNDUP Volume 9, Number 4 - Stanford

From: Ray Stanford <dinotracker.nul>
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 20:33:12 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 09:13:11 -0500
Subject: Re: UFO ROUNDUP Volume 9, Number 4 - Stanford


>From: Nick Balaskas <Nikolaos.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 21:17:56 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
>Subject: Re: UFO ROUNDUP Volume 9, Number 4

>>From: John Hayes <webmaster.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 17:10:05 +0000
>>Subject: Re: UFO ROUNDUP Volume 9, Number 4

>>>From: Steven L. Wilson Sr <Ndunlks.nul>
>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 23:29:59 EST
>>>Subject: UFO ROUNDUP, Volume 9, Number 4

>>>UFO ROUNDUP
>>>Volume 9, Number 4
>>>January 28, 2004
>>>Editor: Joseph Trainor
>
>><snip>
>
>>>ROUNDUP MYSTERY VAN CAUGHT ON FILM
>
>>Anyone wishing to see the image of the van it is now on the
>>website with the bulletin at:
>
>>http://www.ufoinfo.com/roundup/v09/rnd0904.shtml
>
>>My thanks to Steven for getting the bulletin out to the List
>>(Just like old times Steven <g>). My computer stopped working
>>last Tuesday and I have been forced to check my mail either at
>>work or on another person's computer. It will be a few weeks
>>before I can get things sorted out and site updates might be
>>delayed until then.
>
>
>Hi Everyone!
>
>It is interesting to note that exactly thirty years ago this
>January, Dennis Prophet, a resident of Scarborough, Ontario (now
>part of the City of Toronto) had a UFO sighting that not only
>changed his life but resulted in Canada's first UFO research van
>- one that was just as impressive and nearly outrageous as the
>van spotted in Arizona.
>
>His UFO van contained much investigative equipment, including a
>telephone (a big deal then!) and an electromagnetic UFO
>detector. Prophet's van was also equipped with a transparent dome
>skylight for a large telescope which he used for UFO searches at
>night. He was a member of MUFON and founder of his own UFO
>group, Reptune Research.
>
>There are a few ufologists and UFO enthusiasts, such as
>Toronto's TV newswriter Mike Woods who drives around in a
>vehicle with the license plate 'UFO GUY', that are always
>prepared with binoculars and cameras in their cars for their
>next encounter with UFOs.

>While doing a search for any others out there who like Prophet
>operated their own UFO vans, I came across this, unrelated but
>interesting article, (see below) which reminded me that many vans
>in the past had beds in them too!

>http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/hambone/mundo.html


Nick and any interested readers who read the link Nick provided,

The only think I ever heard of 'Laura Mundo' back in the 1950s
(I've heard nothing of her since then.) was enough to convince
me she was nuttier than George Adamski, Dan Fry, Howard Menger,
and Calvin Girvin combined! What I just read on the link
provided makes me suspicion that she still is 'off the rocker',
so please allow me the chance to review her references to me and
correct some of her errors. Her statements (as on her webpage)
are presented, below, in the original capitals (Quote marks
added by me.), into which I shall interject my comments in
normal writing:


I HAVE FOUND THE EXPERIENCE OF RAY STANFORD, DIRECTOR OF PROJECT
STARLIGHT, AUSTIN, TEXAS..WHEN HE WAS ABOUT 14, A GRAPHIC
EXAMPLE OF THE ABOVE, WHEN ADAMSKI WAS STILL AT PALOMAR GARDENS,
MANY YEARS AGO.

I never heard of George Adamski until I was 15 years of age and
never met him until the summer of 1956, when I was 18. Yes, he
was at Palomar Gardens at that time.

AT THE FIRST INTERNATIONAL UFO CONVENTION IN MEXICO CITY IN
1977, STANFORD PUBLICLY OLD OF HIS DISILLUSIONMENT IN ADAMSKI
BECAUSE OF "SEXUAL DEVELOPMENTS" AT ADAMSKI'S CALIFORNIA HOME
WHERE STANFORD WAS A WELCOME GUEST. ADAMSKI'S WOMEN FOLLOWERS
OFFERING THEMSELVES TO THE SPACEMEN PRESENT, AND ADAMSKI TAKING
WHAT WAS LEFT OVER..ALTHOUGH THEY OFFERED THEMSELVES TO THE
EARTHMEN PRESENT, ALSO..EVEN HIMSELF, AT THE ILLEGAL AGE OF
FOURTEEN, HE SAID, OBVIOUSLY JUMPING TO IMMATURE CONCLUSIONS.

I think Laura Mundo meant to say, "...Stanford publicly
told...", not, "...publicly old..."

I never lived at Adamski's place or anywhere near! And I never
had any kind of sexual relations whatsoever with anyone in
California, even though by the time I visited Adamski I was
eighteen.

THEN A WOMAN IN AUSTRALIA HAD WRITTEN LUCY McGINNES, ADAMSKI'S
(THEN) SECRETARY, ABOUT A PROMISCUOUS YOUNG WOMAN, SONJA
LYUBEIN, WHO CLAIMED TO HAVE MET ORTHON THERE (THE YOUNG MAN
FROM VENUS WHOM ADAMSKI MET ON THE CALIFORNIA DESERT IN 1952 -
 SEE FLYING SAUCERS HAVE LANDED - AND WHOM I MET AT ONE OF OUR
DETROIT FLYING SAUCER CONVENTIONS IN 1958). ORTHON HAD INVITED
SONYA TO HIS HOUSE, SO SHE AND THE YOUNG WOMEN WHO WROTE TO LUCY
WENT THERE WHERE THERE WERE 32 MEN AND DID THEIR SEXUAL BIDDING.
AT THE TIME ADAMSKI THOUGHT THE TWO WOMEN WERE DABBLING IN
PSYCHISM AND WARNED THEM AGAINST IT AS HE DID EVERYONE AFTER THE
SPACE PEOPLE, INCLUDING ORTHON, TOLD HIM...TO TURN AROUND AND
TELL THE PEOPLE TO BEWARE OF THE ASTRAL..."

Laura seems to be referring to what Sonja Lyubesin (That
spelling may be wrong, but Laura has it less correct than I have
it.) personally told me: That back in Australia 'Orthon' -- if
Sonja was telling the truth as she knew it and not just spoofing
me to see if I would invite her to bed, then I wonder who was
the Machiavellian guy posing as 'Orthon'! :) -- and 32 other
space men had sex with them in a single night! It was tough not
'laughing my ass off' right in front of Sonja as she told that
story and declared that upon hearing it, Adamski had invited her
over to visit him, 'post haste'. :)

It was Sonja who lived at Palomar Gardens with Adamski, Lucy
McGinnis (Adamski's secretary), and Alice K. Wells for a while,
and certainly not me. Two friends and I did spend a night at
Adamski's one night after we had driven in late from Texas and
Adamski didn't want us to have to drive around in the wee hours
looking for a motel. Contrary to what Colin Bennett's comments
on Adamski might lead one to believe, Adamski did not invite any
of the three of us teenage boys to sleep in his bed or bedroom.
In fact, I never saw a stitch of evidence that Adamski had the
slightest sexual interest in any of the various young men who
visited Palomar Gardens. I cannot say the same thing of George
Hunt 'Ric' Williamson, alias "His Royal Highness Prince Michael
d 'Obrenovic, Heir to The Throne of Serbia", and a November 20,
1952, 'witness' for Adamski, however. He insisted in crawling
into bed with me the first night I met him in Arizona in the
summer of 1956. However, 'Ric' got no closer to 'scoring' with
me that night than Adamski had gotten to a Venusian on November
20, 1952. :)

Sonja claimed that one night Adamski had said he was, to quote
Sonja, "...expecting a visit from one of the space brothers...",
so she claimed she hid in Adamski's bedroom closet under a pile
of clothes or something, with the closet door wide open, peering
out to see what might happen. Sonja said all that happened in
the whole night, was that Adamski got out of bed in the middle
of the night and began nervously pacing the room for several
hours before sunrise. Next morning, when Adamski left the room
to go to the bathroom and then to the dining area for breakfast,
Sonja slipped out from under the pile of whatever, went out the
side door of Adamski's bedroom, and then strolled into the house
via the back door for breakfast, whereupon Adamski told her and
those present that in the night 'one of the space brothers' (I
think Sonja said he claimed it was 'Ramu' or 'Firkon', but I
cannot be sure after all the years.) had come and visited him
for several hours.

It was kind of funny, because Sonja told me with a serious face,
that the episode made her fear that Adamski had reduced his
level of contact to "the psychic level and that it is no longer
on the physical life the space brothers that had sex with us
back in Australia...", while advising everyone else to "avoid
the psychic".

THEN LATER, STANFORD TOLD THE INTERNATIONAL 1977 UFO CONVENTION,
ADAMSKI WENT TO SAN FRANCISCO TO LECTURE WHERE HE ONCE AGAIN MET
ORTHON WHO TOLD HIM THAT SONJA HAD BEEN INVOLVED IN A PHYSICAL
ORGY WITH HIM. GA WROTE SONJA THIS WAS SO AND THAT ORTHON HAD
SAID FOR HER TO COME TO LIVE IN THE U.S..AT HIS PLACE..WHICH SHE
DID.

Well, after over 45 years, I don't recall all the details, but
suppose that what Laura reports there may be pretty close to
what Sonja told me, but be certain of one thing. I absolutely
did not tell the Acapulco UFO convention that Adamski had any
meeting with Orthon in San Francisco. I may have said that Sonja
told me he did, however. That's a big difference. After all, I
had long-before the Acapulco conference dismissed George
Adamski's claims as absolute fiction, despite Sonja's claim of
an orgy with 'Orthon and Company'.

I'm not sure how much I said about it at the Acapulco
conference, but during my teens, the final 'straw that broke the
camel's back' or any lingering belief I had retained in
Adamski's claims happened when he took me into his "laboratory"
and showed me the 1.25 inch-in-diameter discs painted with a
frighteningly glow-in-the-dark and dangerous radioactive
material (or so it said on the large can with the radiation
danger symbol and warning words on it from which he obtained the
material) he had suspended on nearly invisible suspension lines
(nylon?) in a formation to photograph around a dark
'mothership'! Adamski clearly liked me and wanted to let me know
that I should not waste my life believing in him and his claims,
which he said he would not have had to have gotten into if his
bootlegging business during prohibition had not been ruined when
prohibition was abolished. :)

As to Laura Mundo, even before I wised up to Adamski in the late
1950s, all my friends and I regarded her as really ridiculous,
as the web page to which Nick has directed us, IMO, clearly
demonstrates.

Come to think of it, I suppose that Orgy With Orthon would make
a cute book title. :) Yet, as a publisher told me years ago when
I proposed a book exposing Adamski, Daniel W. Fry, and several
other 'contactees', based on my first-hand encounters with them,
"Sorry, but negative books just don't sell well enough..." But I
had never expected such a book to sell very well. I just wanted
to get the facts as I had learned them 'out there' so the few
who wanted the truth could learn it first hand. That's why I
said as much as I did at Acapulco in the 1977 conference. I am
amazed that there are still people out there who actually
believe that, for example, George Adamski, had a real encounter
on the desert at 12:30 in the noon hour, Thursday, November 20,
1952. Colin Bennett pretends that something real happened that
day, but it did not. I learned the actual, inside story of that
November 20, 1952, fiasco, from the inside. No, even Adamski's
first one was not real.

Here's hoping you have enjoyed this little discourse on
'interplanetary intercourse'. :)


Ray Stanford

"You know my method. It is founded upon the observance of
trifles." -- Sherlock Holmes in The Boscombe Valley Mystery




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