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Re: Whittlesea Australia UFO Photograph - Hatch

From: Larry Hatch <larryhatch.nul>
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 14:06:24 -0800
Fwd Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 09:13:11 -0500
Subject: Re: Whittlesea Australia UFO Photograph - Hatch

>From: Dan Bright <dan.bright.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 22:58:17 -0000
>Subject: Re: Whittlesea Australia UFO Photograph

>>From: Larry Hatch <larryhatch.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 13:26:44 -0800
>>Subject: Re: Whittlesea Australia UFO Photograph

>>The orientation of the camera seems paramount. What precise
>>direction was the camera facing when the shot was taken?

>The photographer states that he was taking shots facing "east
>and west" - Hearldsun:

> http://tinyurl.com/39jy4

>>I calculated something like a 300 degree Azimuth, and ran the US
>>Navy site algorithm to get a more accurate 290 degrees. This
>>places the sun in the Western skies, as one might expect unless
>>the Earth reversed its spin. Any chance there was an error in
>>the numbers above?

>Yes. I double checked my figures earlier and the air turned blue
>when I realised my error. I just sent the corrections prior to
>reading your post. Doh!!

>>The table produced is in even 10-minute increments, thus the
>>approximate figures for 14:52 hours local time.

>There is a facility to changing that to 1-min increments, which
>is how I got my final figures (almost the same as yours: Azm
>287.6, Alt: 55.1). This is for 13:52 local time, and assumes
>that the photographer's statement of "about 2pm" was correct
>(meaning the EXIF embedded data is one hour fast. This has
>nothing to do with daylight saving time as I mistakenly alluded
>to in a previous post -- when you're having one of those

>If, however, the EXIF data was correct (and the photographer was
>wrong in his statement), then local time would be 14:52
>Azm=275.6 and Alt=43.4)

>>I'm at a loss here. Can somebody in the Melbourne area get a few
>>important data points for us?

>I've emailed a contact of mine in Australia and am awaiting his
>response. I'll let you know if he's willing to take a day trip
>out there.

Hi Dan:

I've made lots of embarrassing mistakes like that. One time I
mapped Melbourne way too far south! Several sightings got
"relocated" when I discovered that gaffe.

By all means, ask your friend if he can take a spin out there.
Whittlesea isn't all that far North of Melbourne. He will need
to drive carefully as they drive on the wrong side of the road
of course.

After I posted last nite, it occurred to me also that the tracks
shown could be a spur line running into or towards town, i.e.
pretty much in any direction. All the more need to stand on the
same spot and face in the same direction, all aided by a good
local map and the obvious landmarks from the UFO photo.

Once having established that, plus solar orientation, _then_ we
can go to work on the UFO image. If for example the seeming
reflections on the object are inconsistent with the sun angle,
we can kick around image trickery (which I doubt), bug wings and
such that others have suggested. Until then, I can only wait.

Best wishes

- Larry Hatch

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