From: Larry Hatch <larryhatch.nul>
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 13:57:24 -0800
Fwd Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 07:13:26 -0500
Subject: Re: Review Of 'Sight Unseen' By Hopkins & Rainey -


>From: Tim Shell <tshell.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 16:45:23 -0600
>Subject: Re: Review Of 'Sight Unseen' By Hopkins & Rainey

>>From: Gildas Bourdais <gbourdais.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:42:28 +0100
>>Subject: Re: Review Of 'Sight Unseen' By Hopkins & Rainey

>>It is going to be easy to demolish the book, if you want to.
>>But I feel that it goes in the right direction. To be sure,
>>there is still a long way to go!

>It is interesting that the old "alternate dimensions" argument
>was finally brought into the picture in an effort to explain the
>obvious inconsistencies and odd events that seem to go along
>with many abduction scenarios. And this is particularly
>noteworthy since Hopkins, from my perspective anyway, has always
>been much more of a nuts-and-bolts (or perhaps "blood-and-guts")
>proponent. He hasn't quite made the jump yet from the Mars Needs
>Women viewpoint to a more paraphysical stance, which might
>included ghosts and demons and all the other entities that go
>bump in the night, by it is an interesting shift.

>But this sort of "explaining something unexplained with
>something perhaps even more unexplained" is not going to win
>very many debates. Unless there's some way to anticipate an
>event and get some decent data - synchronized, sealed clocks
>that end up with time differences, maybe - then it's all just
>fluffy conjecture. Hell, even I can do that!

>What would be a good experiment to test this invisibility/pulled
>out of normal spacetime experience? Again, when it comes to the
>idea of measuring or manipulating time within spacetime, I'm no
>Einstein. I admit I'm just not smart enough to come up with even
>a decent paradigm within which a test can be structured.


Hello Tim:

I'm very disturbed by the idea that we can throw out all the
rules; physics, chemistry, causality, logic...  that makes
everything 'possible', Disneyland style at least, and leaves
nothing testable.  In short, we are right out of science and
into religion or mysticism.

Your sealed clocks idea seems simple and doable however!

Here's a simple gimmick that may have occurred to some of the
abduction people:   Get cheap reliable reasonably accurate
battery driven digital watches with fresh batteries.   These
have gotten fairly cheap now.

Keep one watch on the wrist, and two more at opposite ends of
the house, maybe in innocuous looking boxes or drawers.  Once a
week or so, check them, setting them to some time standard like
your computer clock or WWV radio.  Keep a log of indicated times
and small corrections for all three.

Some time-drift, say a minute a week, is normal with these, thus
the frequent synchronization.

After any anomalous event, missing time say, check all 3 watches
and log the indicated times. Then at least there is something to
play with, something more solid than conjecture.

Other devices may come to mind later, I'm off to work now.


Best

- Larry