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Re: Whittlesea Australia UFO Photograph - Harrison

From: Diane Harrison <auforn.nul>
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:36:43 +1000
Fwd Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 09:26:56 -0500
Subject: Re: Whittlesea Australia UFO Photograph - Harrison


>From: Larry Hatch <larryhatch.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 13:26:44 -0800
>Subject: Re: Whittlesea Australia UFO Photograph

>>From: Dan Bright <ufo.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 22:39:33 -0000
>>Subject: Re: Whittlesea Australia UFO Photograph

<snip>

>>Hi Amy, John, listers:


Hi Amy, John,Larry, everyone.

>>The azimuth of the sun at 14:52pm, for Whittlesea Australia
>>(Lat: 37=B0 31' South, Long: 145=B0, 07' East), on January 15 2004
>>would have been 29.9=B0. The Altitude would have been 71.5=B0:

Just talked to Peter Taylor the reporter

Roland was facing west when he took the picture so the object
was in the west. Sun rises in the east sets in the west
approximate time 2.00 pm . The train was running to the right in
the image it had just left Melbourne.

>>http://aa.usno.navy.mil/

>>The railway line that is present in the image probably runs
>>South to North (Melbourne to Epping). The sun would be to the
>>West (North would be to the right of the image). This
>>corresponds with the shadows that are visible te ground.

Dan your above assumption appears to be correct.

I have to say, regardless of what this object is everyone has
done a fantastic job of trying to identify it and it just goes
to show how everyone's efforts are just as important as the next
persons.

>>The precise pattern and intensity of reflection and shadow on
>>the object would surely depend upon it's precise shape,
>>dimensions, attitude, altitude, surface material, atmospheric
>>haze, so on and so forth, which of course we don't know.

I agree

>>For what it's worth, I've also done a few test renders of a
>>domed disk in various positions (with the sun set as stated
>>above):

>>http://www.zaziork.com/astrobservation/whittlesea_demo.htm

>Hello Dan, Amy, John:

>The orientation of the camera seems paramount. What precise
>direction was the camera facing when the shot was taken?

He was facing west Larry.

>Nothing I found in the Australian news seems to indicate this!
>What I see is a railway that could run in practically any
>direction, perhaps diagonally to the major compass points as
>rails take any wide turn necessary to avoid steep grades. What I
>think I see is a rise or ridge on the far horizon, topped with
>trees in sharp focus.  I would expect a flying saucer to also be
>in sharp focus unless moving at high speeds.

The railway runs north to south Melbourne to New South Wales.

>the tracks run parallel to this horizon "ridge" as I would
>expect, again to avoid fuel wasting grades.

>Some dedicated rail fan compiled rail maps of Victoria State:

>http://www.cdi.com.au/~johnc/railmap.htm

>If you click on the "South" sector of that map you see this one:
>(Melbourne itself is a black box because its just too covered
>with rails)

>http://www.cdi.com.au/~johnc/rlyv-s.gif

>The yellow line running north from the Melbourne denied area
>ends at Whittlesea!  On a separate (red) line just to the West,
>I find Beveridge. Beveridge and Whittlesea are connected by road
>but not by rail directly.
>
>Since the highway crossing is identified as Beveridge Road, I
>presume that road runs roughly East-West, and that the
>photographer had to be facing either East or West (plus/minus so
>many degrees of course.)

West

>As this is/was Summer time in Australia, I would expect the Sun
>to be high in the Northern skies at Noon, and well off to the
>West of that by 14:52 hours (nearly 3:00 PM).

Correct on NSW & VIC times due to daylight saving.

>I'm at a loss here. Can somebody in the Melbourne area get a few
>important data points for us?

>1) Where precisely is the location of this railway crossing?

Due East of Beverage township by 6lkm and 30 to 40klm direct
north of Melbourne.

>2) Do the tracks run N-S as the map seems to indicate?

Yes it does almost along side the M31 called the Hume Hwy
which runs due west of Beverage by 2 to 3 klm.

>3) Which way does Beveridge Road run? E-W as I
>might presume?

The township of Merriang due east before Beverage and is due
north to Whittlesea which is some 10klm northeast of either.

>3) Which way was the photographer facing?

West toward Beverage township - population of Beverage
approximately 200 to 300 hundred. It has 2 local pubs one of
which is the local shop for everything.

>This isn't rocket science. Just take a spin out to that same
>railway crossing, bring a camera, shoot the same scene at the
>same time of day. It should be easily and positively identified
>by the crossing signs, landscape etc.

>Tell us which way you are facing when you take the same photo,
>and don't rely on a magnetic compass or "dead reckoning", both
>notoriously inaccurate. Bring a good local map, and of course
>the original news photo for orientation.

>If you do this right away (Don't wait until March), the Sun's
>position should roughly the same. Please indicate that as well.

>Maybe we can lay this matter to rest.

I hope this helps
--

Regards Diane Harrison

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