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Re: Whittlesea Australia UFO Photograph - Velez

From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic.nul>
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 11:28:00 -0500
Fwd Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 13:04:07 -0500
Subject: Re: Whittlesea Australia UFO Photograph - Velez

>From: Darren Sensi <mrsensi.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 22:27:16 +0100 (CET)
>Subject: Re: Whittlesea Australia UFO Photograph

>>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 15:11:16 -0500
>>Subject: Re: Whittlesea Australia UFO Photograph - Velez

>>The domed disc really has to be moving at a tremendous speed in
>>order for its image to appear smeared, blurred in the photo.
>>Because of the bright daylight conditions and the speed with
>>which the shutter opened and closed, for that object not be
>>frozen in its tracks, it had to be moving at a fair clip. Fodder
>>for further analysis.

Hi Steve,

You wrote:

>That's the most convincing part about this image for me because
>I would have thought it must be moving at least a quarter of
>it's own length in under the shutter speed of the camera for
>there to be blurring like that. But it's speed could be high or
>low depending on the distance of the object from the camera so
>the distance is probably the first thing to try and establish i
>don't know if that's the approach you would take ?.

Yep, I agree, the very next step that needs to be taken is to
ascertain approximations for distance and size. Bruce Maccabee
has a formula he uses to figure out sizes and distances. But
first, we need to find out some 'knowns'... ie; lens settings,
aperture, whether a zoom was used, approximate distances to
objects in the photo, etc. etc. etc.

Can someone get the raw data from one of the principles,
preferably the civil engineer/cameraman himself. Once we get our
mitts on that info, getting a good 'guesstimate' on the size,
distance and approximate speed of the object is a piece of cake.

If that 'thing' turns out to be only a couple hundred feet away
from the photographer, some folks are going to be hard put to
find a twenty to thirty foot long 'bird' to blame the image on!

>Also the auforn seems to be saying that the image is close to
>the camera because of the amount of blurring around the object?

An explanation of how changes in contrast can create some of
that kind of distortion to appear surrounding an object is not
quite adequate here in this example. The 'distortion' extends
too far out from the object to be simple 'contrast distortion.'
It extends for distance out above and below the object.

>given that the background is in focus. I'm not sure if that
>means the trailing edge of the object or the leading edge; but
>the leading edge appears to have sharpness that's consistant
>with all other objects in the nearby background.

That's because it _is_ the leading edge. The streaking in the
back is motion blur - the image of the object elongated in the
_opposite_ direction of travel. A 'ghost image' of itself in the
space it occupied as it passed before the opened lens.

>That's also
>taking into account that the specular highlight is on that side
>of the object so there would be less contrast than the darker
>edges of other objects in the scene anyway.

A curious 'effect' that comes up often in UFO/UAP photos is the
unusual darkness/blackness on the bottom of the object. It has
been mentioned before and described as; an area where it appears
that light is being 'absorbed' or 'cannot escape from.' Blacker
than it 'should be.' Just another curiosity, or again, maybe
even clue about the nature of the propulsion system.

We'll never find anything out as long as we're mired in non-
 productive arguments about birds and flies. If we can get past
that nonsense, we might actually learn something valuable from
this most remarkable 'flying saucer' photo.


John Velez

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