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Re: Whittlesea Australia UFO Photograph - Velez

From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic.nul>
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 11:27:24 -0500
Fwd Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 13:02:07 -0500
Subject: Re: Whittlesea Australia UFO Photograph - Velez

>From: Amy Hebert <vanguard.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 00:06:32 -0600
>Subject: Re: Whittlesea Australia UFO Photograph

>>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:17:16 -0400
>>Subject: Re: Whittlesea Australia UFO Photograph

>>>From: Diane Harrison <auforn.nul>
>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>,
>>>Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:56:18 +1000
>>>Subject: Re: Whittlesea Australia UFO Photograph

>>>>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic.nul>
>>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>>Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:26:50 -0500
>>>>Subject: Re: Whittlesea Australia UFO Photograph


>>>>As for 'Whatzit?' That one is easy... unless it's a supersonic
>>>>balloon, it's a 'classic' flying saucer! :)


>>What I said up above is simple, Diane... what _I_ see in the
>>Whittlesea photo is a domed-disc in the sky. It is in the shape
>>of an object that is commonly known and recognized as a "flying
>>saucer". Not to put too fine a point on it, I simply stated that
>>what _I_ see in the photo resembles a "flying saucer" - in the
>>'classic' _shape_ that is the definition of the term.


>Hi, John:

Hello Amy,

'Again' you say:

>Please understand that I am not 'attacking' you, John.

This is the not the first time you toss this one at me. What is
it that makes you think that _I_ think you are "attacking" me? I
don't know if it's a symptom of an overinflated sense of
importance you have, or if you are simply trying to paint me as
a 'paranoiac' who perceives personal attacks on all fronts.

Allow me to once and for all relieve you of that 'belief.' I do
not think you are "attacking" me, Amy. I think we can drop that
little comment now, eh?

>I just
>want to discuss your opinions about the object in this

>I'm curious as to why you call it a "flying saucer", classic or
>otherwise. Since we are able to see the object from only one
>point of view or one side, why do you state it is a "domed-disc"
>or shaped like a "flying saucer"? For all we know, it could be
>cigar-shaped, triangular (with only one side visible), football-
>shaped, octogon-shaped, rectangular-shaped with rounded corners
>or perhaps some other shape.

Go to the following link:


What I have done is; I created a three dimensional object (using
Bryce 5 software on my G4 Macintosh CPU) and created a
reproduction of what it is _I_ see in the Whittlesea photo.

First, I created a lens shaped object and turned it on its side
so as to be seen 'edge-on.' I then created a 'sphere', sized it
and then attached it to the lenticular shape/object. After
combining the two into a single object, I added a 'texture' to
the surface of it. I chose 'brushed aluminum' because that is
what the object in the Whittlesea photo resembles.

I then placed the object in relation to the horizon at
'approximately' the same viewing angle we see the Whittlesea
object in. After that I created lighting that comes from the
'right' of the picture just as in the Whittlesea photo.

The end result is almost a dead match-up (sans the motion
blurring) for the object in the Whittlesea photo.

I'll bet the farm that you could take a hundred photos of birds
or insects in flight and not come up with anything that matches
the object in the Whittlesea photo as closely as the 'classic'
UFO shape that I created for demonstartion purposes. If you
_can_ do it... I'm all eyes and ears. Show me, just as I have
shown you. I can back up my perception with something
substantial. ie; the graphics I have provided.

Please show me any photo of a bird or insect in flight that
resembles the object in the Whittlesea photo as closely as my 3D
model does. I'm open.

What I see is a 'domed, siver-metallic disc' shaped object in
the sky. You say 'could be bird' or 'could be a fly', if so,
please show me. I don't see it. Bird or fly.

'Something that closely resembles a 'classic' flying saucer...
yes! That I do see.

Your turn, Amy...

John Velez

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