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Re: Good News For Causality? - Dickenson

From: Ray Dickenson <ray.dickenson.nul>
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 07:53:36 +0000
Fwd Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 07:44:57 -0500
Subject: Re: Good News For Causality? - Dickenson


>From: Brett Holman <b.holman.nul>
>To: UFO Updates <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 04:17:13 +1100
>Subject: Re: Good News For Causality?


Brett,

Let's get a couple of things straight - for us laity (I don't
like use of loaded words like "lay" - reeks of exclusivity,
false pride and even hubris).

1) Quotes -
If one quotes <<in most courses ... It's not true>> the three
dots indicate words in between that _don't_ change the literal
or factual or statistical sense. Which is exactly true of that
quote. However you shouted "quoting ... outrageously partial".
That's specious my friend, next thing to deceit.

2) Momentum -
Brett, I hesitate to tell you, but everything we know is moving
- we don't know of anything that's really "at rest". But for
Newtonian convenience we pretend some things are not moving and
just have inertia (of mass); we say other things are moving
(it's all relative) and so have momentum, i.e.  mass x velocity
(relative to us).

In reality we know that everything in the universe is moving and
really has full momentum - hence inertia = momentum. The use of
two different words is partly historical and partly avoidance of
inconvenient questions from the class smart-alec.

[Actually, when I was teaching the obligatory math/physics to
some - highly qualified - military/other folk, I always found
the argumentative ones a real boon, moving things along in a
lively way. Conversely I  knew we'd have to start further back
with those addicted to jargon & buzz-words - no grasp of basic
principles. All physics is expressible in short words - else
it's waffle.]

Please, no more talk of science "high priests" alone fit for
"inner secrets" kept from "lay" folk.

If physics is true then everyone can and should understand it
and be taught it.

For background to this exchange (shall we call it "Unknown Force
in the Universe" - or "Failure of Physics"?) you can try -
http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2004/dec/m07-009.shtml
http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2004/dec/m09-008.shtml
http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2004/dec/m10-015.shtml

There's clearly some way to go.


Cheers

Ray D

"matter is essentially force, and nothing but force" - Alfred
Russel Wallace
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"Perceptions" http://www.perceptions.couk.com
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