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Re: Private Aircraft Damage Event - Velez

From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net>
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 13:08:27 -0400
Fwd Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 14:41:43 -0400
Subject: Re: Private Aircraft Damage Event - Velez

>From: Ray Stanford <dinotracker@earthlink.net>
>To: <ufoupdates@sympatico.ca>
>Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 10:51:13 -0400
>Subject: Private Aircraft Damage Event [was: Filer's Files #30 -- 2003]

>>From: Vicente-Juan Ballester Olmos <ballesterolmos@yahoo.es>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@sympatico.ca>
>>Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 10:11:29 +0200 (CEST)
>>Subject: Re: Filer's Files #30 -- 2003

>>I would not put too much credence in this Latin-american
>>aeronautical event, and it has been demolished or debunked by
>>Mexican engineer and researcher Luis Ruiz Noguez.

>>If there is someone interested, I can privately provide Mr
>>Ruiz=ABs email address for consultation.

>Thanks for your always-of-interest comment. Of course, I'd like
>to know how to contact Noguez. I may have read Noguez's
>commentary several years ago (but I could be confused about
>whose commentary I read) and found them not completely
>convincing. However, if he has written his report on that case
>in English, I'd like to ask him for a copy.

>I don't see how Noguez could explain the radar tracking of
>objects near the aircraft unless the pilot (Carlos de Los Santos
>Montiel) dumped some tensiled Mylar balloons out the aircraft
>window and the wind was in the right direction as to drive them
>toward Popocatepetal (volcano) -- which would be difficult to
>believe because I do not think that the wind blows into the
>west-southwest very often in that area.

>Did Noguez explain the radar tracking or just attack Montiel's
>claim of having been intimidated by men in black suits? I have
>copies of official-looking documents about the alleged radar
>tracking. Perhaps Carlos could have had complaisant (in a hoax)
>friends in air traffic control, but find it difficult to believe
>that such would to be the case, without good substantiation or a

>Of course I'll admit I have some doubt that a UFO would actually
>dent an aircraft, since if they are as sophisticated as they
>seem to be, I suspect they have some very excellent collision
>avoidance equipment.

Boys, boys!

First, Ray... I have no idea which Mexican collision case you're
talking about. I have never heard of this collision case that
you have interjected into my discussion with Betsy. I know you
were trying to help, but please, no thanks. The airplane
collision case I was discussing In my original post clearly
stated that it was a _commercial_ jetliner that was involved.
(and not a single occupant private plane.)

I also clearly stated that the collision took place during a
landing at Mexico City Airport. The 'case' that you and Vicente
are discussing is completely unrelated to this collision case I
have cited.

The facts are as follows:

Mexico City International Airport, July 28, 1994 Time: 9:55pm

Airplane: DC-9 en route from Guadalajara Airport to Mexico City Airport

Flight# 129

Passengers: 109 + crew

Pilot reporting: Raymundo Cervantes Ruano

In a taped interview of the Pilot, Capt. Ruano, reports; that at
precisely 9:55 pm during a landing approach to Mexico City
Airport, his aircraft collided with a 'UFO'. (unknown)

Due to the sudden collision, he was forced to make an emergency
landing. Upon inspection of the aircraft the following damage
was documented: the shock absorber had been torn off of one of
the landing gear, (they didn't mention 'which' landing gear was
affected) and there was also a dent on the bottom of the

The 'UFO' that flight# 129 collided with was observed and
videotaped by Mexico City 'local' Victor Lopez Suarez. That, is
the case I cited to Betsy. I have no idea what you guys are
talking about.

If any of our Mexican members could chime in with updated
information it would be greatly appreciated. The case I was
discussing has not been determined a hoax. I hope List readers
don't begin to confuse the case I was referring to with this
apparently solved one that Ray brought up.

Just to put this thread back on the beam, the issue I had raised
involved 'UFOs' and commercial aircraft safety. It is an issue
that needs to be addressed _before_ something tragic happens.


John 'don't put cases in my mouth' Velez

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