From: Richard Hall <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 21:53:40 +0000 Fwd Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 06:09:21 -0400 Subject: Gleason [was: Are We Really Ready For Disclosure?] >From: Jerome Clark <email@example.com> >To: <firstname.lastname@example.org> >Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 12:06:16 -0500 >Subject: Re: Are We Really Ready For Disclosure? >>From: Steven Kaeser <email@example.com> >>To: <firstname.lastname@example.org> >>Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 18:51:05 -0400 >>Subject: Re: Are We Really Ready For Disclosure? >>>From: John Velez <email@example.com> >>>To: firstname.lastname@example.org >>>Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:05:33 -0400 >>>Subject: Re: Are We Really Ready For Disclosure? >>>Jackie Gleason was also shown dead aliens by his friend >>>Richard Nixon during the last days of his Presidency >>>I've been hearing this one for years. Does anybody know if >>>there is any truth to it? I've always considered it a kind of >>>'urban legend'. I'm just curious if any one knows anything >>>about this particular walnut. >>I believe that Jackie Gleason's widow mentions this episode in a >>biography of her late husband. It's only a small tangent, but >>it's fairly well known that Gleason was very interested in UFOs >>and reportedly had a home built in the shape of one. >Jackie Gleason was indeed a UFO buff. He also had a keen >interest in psychic phenomena. His views, while sympathetic, >were also hard-headed, and he was not a credulous enthusiast. >(See, for example, the amusing account in Long John Nebel's The >Way Out World concerning Gleason's confrontation with contactee >George King.) He subscribed to two magazines with which I have >been associated, Fate and International UFO Reporter. >In the latter context, I have a small anecdote related to the >above crashed-saucer tale. One day in the mid-1980s, when CUFOS' >office was still in Glenview, Illinois, and (the now-deceased) >Sherman Larsen ran it, someone from Gleason's office called to >inquire about the status of JG's IUR subscription. After digging >out the requested information, Larsen couldn't resist asking >about the story that Nixon had shown Gleason alien bodies. >Gleason's spokesman said that was a fiction that an ex-wife had >made up to get attention and sell her book. >On the other hand, one of Gleason's biographers claims that it >was probably a tall tale JG concocted to tell his wife, to >explain away a tryst with one of his girl friends. >For a number of reasons, I find the story pretty hard to >believe. It seems highly unlikely that even a President could >bring an unauthorized civilian into a secure site holding >secrets of the alleged magnitude. Since no independent evidence >seems to exist and the source of the anecdote is of uncertain >reliability, the story should be regarded, in my judgment, as >little more than yet more saucer folklore. >Jerry Clark Jerry and list, I, too, find the story hard to believe on similar grounds. No way would Gleason have been allowed access to such super-secret information. I am not even aware of any evidence that Nixon was interested in UFOs and/or took them seriously. Gleason also was a member of NICAP and was eager to have every publication we ever issued. I, too, received phone calls from his secretary or representative inquiring about publications. There is no doubt about his strong interest. Yet, even when NICAP fell on hard times and was desperately trying to raise money to continue, Gleason never contributed anything over and above his $5.00 or $7.50 membership. Steve Allen once contributed $25 through the intervention of a mutual friend. Ray Walston ("My Favorite Martian") contributed more than both of them combined! My experience is that celebrities generally are cheapskates. - Dick
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