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Re: Frank Kaufmann Exposed

From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993.nul>
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 20:23:13 EST
Archived: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 10:51:06 -0500
Subject: Re: Frank Kaufmann Exposed


>From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 22:37:20 -0400
>Subject: Re: Frank Kaufman?

>>From: Josh Goldstein <clearlight.nul-online.de>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:17:39 +0100
>>Subject: Re: Frank Kaufman?

>>>From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993.nul>
>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 14:25:23 EST
>>>Subject: Re: Frank Kaufman?

>>>>From: Fred Clark <Ufoufo51.nul>
>>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>>Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 10:16:00 EST
>>>>Subject: Frank Kaufman?

<snip>

>>Frank had admitted on December 13, 1999, at his home with 4
>>witnesses present that he had told lies about his involvement
>>during an earlier interview with me, with Kevin Randle and Don
>>Schmitt also present. I had noted other problems with Frank's
>>story earlier to Kevin, Don, Kent Jeffrey, Bob Wood.

Good Morning, Stan, List, All -

>>I am confused by this paragraph because it seems to suggest
>>that on December 13, 1999, I was present when Frank admitted
>>to telling lies. While I have little doubt about the veracity of this
>>statement, I was not present and hadn't seen Frank since
>>September 1998.

First let me apologize for my rather inelegant statement above.
My excuse was having to get to the store very early because they
were selling DVD players for $30. American (what is that in
Canada now, about a thousand bucks?). Anyway, what I meant was
that while I have little doubt that Frank Kaufmann has invented
his tales, I wasn't present and I seriously doubt he made any
sort of admission to Friedman, Schmitt or Howe.

Now that I've had a chance to go back and look at Stan's notes
in the MUFON Symposium book for 2000, I can point out that,
according to him, he visited Frank with Don Schmitt (not exactly
the epitome of credibility) and Linda Howe. My name is
conspicuously absent from that list. In the world of Ufology,
this is now a false claim. (Remember, in Ufology, there are no
honest mistakes, merely false claims that we use to bludgeon
each other.)

There is nothing in that part of Stan's MUFON speech that
suggests that Frank Kaufmann told him, Schmitt or Howe that he
told lies about his involvement. If true, however, the question
is, why would he sit on all this information for almost three
years?. Why didn't he publish this admission, along with the
audiotapes that surely one of them would have made? If he had an
admission that Kaufmann was making it up, why not tell the world
then? Why come forward now and say that he told me...

Instead, Stan seems to rely on the suggestion that Scanlon had
not been the commander of ADC, that other, higher ranking
generals were in fact the commanders. This is, I suppose,
somehow to lead us to the conclusion that Frank had invented his
tales. Why not just tell us simply that Frank had admitted that
he wasn't involved? This smacks of the recent statement that Don
Schmitt had never lied to Stan.

Scanlon, it seems, enjoys the same sort of intelligence
background that Donald Menzel enjoys. If those intelligence
connections make a case of MJ-12, then why aren't Scanlon's
intelligence credentials of equal importance? He was a guy
tapped by Hap Arnold to help development Air Force intelligence
during the war. Wouldn't Arnold have thought of him immediately
if he needed a reliable man to fly into Roswell? And if Scanlon
knew Kaufmann, wouldn't he be likely to call on him to assist?
And if this is not logical, then why should we accept the idea
that Menzel's wartime service somehow qualified him for
membership on MJ-12?

And wouldn't this suggestion that Scanlon was not the commander
of ADC, which I never heard Frank claim, be a false assumption?
If Frank didn't make the claim, then what relevance does the
fact have? And more importantly, where did it come from?
Kaufmann? Schmitt?

The point here is that Stan didn't publish anything suggesting
that Kaufmann had admitted to lying. All we are told is that
Kaufmann met with Stan, Howe and Schmitt. And we know that Stan
doesn't like the Kaufmann tales because he has told us that
repeatedly, but Stan never supplied a good reason for rejecting
them, even when Kaufmann had apparently handed him that reason.

Now, please, understand, I am not suggesting that Frank Kaufmann
can be rehabilitated. As far as I'm concerned, he should become
a footnote to the Roswell case, just as Gerald Anderson and
Glenn Dennis should be footnotes. Both men were caught in a
changing and shifting story that as we investigated moved
farther from the truth. Or, Stan, do you now have the "real"
name of the nurse? And now that Anderson appears on the Navy
SEALs Wall of Shame, are you finally convinced that he can't be
trusted?


KRandle


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