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Re: Magonia Supplement 43

From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99.nul>
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 22:37:22 +0000
Archived: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 10:47:43 -0500
Subject: Re: Magonia Supplement 43

>From: John Rimmer <jrimmer.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 19:10:26 +0000
>Subject: Magonia Supplement 43

>Magonia Supplement 43 is now available on the Magonia website.
>Here is John Harney's Editorial:


>Issue No. 41 of this publication was devoted to discussing the
>ETH and the lack of evidence to support it. This provoked the
>usual knee-jerk reactions from members of the UFO UpDates
>mailing list, including some who had obviously not even bothered
>to read it before mailing their comments.

>One of the points I made, and not for the first time, was about
>the impossibility of the evidence for ET spacecraft being kept
>secret. The ETH, at least as it is interpreted by many
>ufologists, depends on persuading people to believe that it is
>possible to keep the saucers secret. Stanton Friedman commented:

>"The naivety shown by the notion that we would have access to
>radar and spy satellite info, re space and airborne uncorrelated
>targets produced by the Aerospace Defense Command and NRO
>satellites and collected by NSA while listening to their foreign
>equivalents is monumental.

>"Just note that more than 95% of the 156 UFO documents released
>by the NSA are whited out. No way that is all sources and
>methods data." I replied, pointing out that he hadn't told us
>how UFO information gathered from radar or satellites, by
>governments and private organisations, amateur or professional,
>everywhere in the world is kept secret. I also wondered how he
>knew what was in the whited out parts of the UFO documents, as
>he implies that this hidden information concerns evidence for
>alien spacecraft. If the sceptics indulge in "research by
>proclamation" as Friedman constantly tells us, then surely he is
>indulging in research by showmanship in waving whited-out
>documents at UFO conferences.

>Anyway, I intend to press for a plausible explanation as to how
>every government in the world has managed to preserve the Secret
>of the Saucers for over 50 years. I will probably have to wait a
>long time.


Here's another "knee-jerk" reaction for you (after all, I'm a
knee-jerk, tree-hugging liberal).

Why must I read the issue in order to respond to the arguments
stated in your editorial? You made certain (rather ludicrous, in
my opinion) generalizations to which I responded.

Okay. Turnabout is fairplay:

You have no right to apply insulting labels to me unless you
read The UFO Evidence, Volume II, which contains my full
arguments and supporting data.

But what do Stan Friedman and I know? We have only been
investigating real-life cases and conducting research for 40-50
years while, so far as I am aware, your arse has warmed an
armchair (if, indeed, you have even been alive thoughout those

So please, cease your condescending editorializing and stop
asking the wrong questions.

Your last paragraph is, again, a ludicrous mis-statement of the

 - Dick Hall

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