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Re: Frank Kaufman?

From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys.nul>
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 22:37:20 -0400
Archived: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 10:35:13 -0500
Subject: Re: Frank Kaufman?

>From: Josh Goldstein <clearlight.nul-online.de>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:17:39 +0100
>Subject: Re: Frank Kaufman?

>>From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 14:25:23 EST
>>Subject: Re: Frank Kaufman?

>>>From: Fred Clark <Ufoufo51.nul>
>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 10:16:00 EST
>>>Subject: Frank Kaufman?

>>Good Afternoon, List, All -

>>>Since I have been out of touch for some time, I would be
>>>grateful if someone on the List would bring me up-to-date on
>>>what was found to be false with his statements.

>>The whole story will be laid out in the next issue of IUR and a
>>version should be up any day now on the CUFOS website.

>Hello Kevin and fellow Listerions,

>Frank Kaufman certainly seems to be a poseur, claiming to be
>someone who he is not. His drawing of the alleged Roswell UFO
>may have come entirely from his own imagination.

>However, I give his imagination one credit. From a purely design
>angle he drew the best looking planform for a Roswell craft. It
>is what I wish one looked like but that has nothing to do with
>the reality of the case.

>As for the MJ-12 documents, it has been years since I read the
>Stan Friedman book. With his research plus the Woods technical
>research into the documents they received, how much effort went
>into finding out if any of the people named in those documents
>were still alive to be interviewed?


In case anybody is wondering why I haven't jumped in on the many
Roswell related threads, I must note that my wife and I took a
vacation for our wedding anniversary to San Diego where we went
for our honeymoon, 28 years ago. We were gone Nov. 18-27. There
were 600 email awaiting me. Couldn't see the Sci-Fi show, but
expect to see a dupe over the weekend (from my son in Maine).

Re Frank Kaufmann I would refer interested parties to my 27 page
MUFON 2000 paper "Roswell and the MJ-12 Documents in the New

Frank had admitted on December 13, 1999, at his home with 4
witnesses present that he had told lies about his involvement
during an earlier interview with me, with Kevin Randle and Don
Schmitt also present. I had noted other problems with Frank's
story earlier to Kevin, Don, Kent Jeffrey, Bob Wood.

Re his vehicle planform, I strongly recommend people to the
article with pix in Popular Mechanics, December, 1991, and an
even earlier piece in Aviation Week and Space Technology. Both
were about the TR3A superspy plane.

I will have more to say about the claim I am told was made that
MJ-12 is a fraud once I see the program.

My paper noted above does point out that despite Jan Aldrich's
recent false claim that the GAO must have been mistaken, that
the GAO found examples of the use of TOP SECRET RESTRICTED on
documents from the same time frame as the Cutler Twining memo,
that they indeed had.

I also noted that not all TS documents have TS Control numbers,
again despite Jan's false claim to the contrary.

In Jan's defense I must note that his excellent security related
background seemed to relate to classified military documents not
to NSC, White House, Industrial classified documents, tc. I
wonder if he wasn't the source of Ed Stewart's false claims
about control numbers?

With regard to the members of MJ-12, as I have noted in the
past, they were all dead when the roll of film was received. The
last survivor, Dr. Jerome Hunsaker, died 3 months before the
EBE-TF roll of film was received and just 2 weeks before the
National Archives Box 189, of Entry 267, of RG 341 was first
handled. That is where the TSR Cutler Twining memo was found the
following July by the first people to have access to it after
classification review was completed. Box 189 had been mentioned
in a postcard to Bill Moore.

I talked to members of the families of just about all the MJ-12
members including, for example, General Twining's pilot and 2
sons and a daughter, Bush's two sons, Montague's son (He liked
TOP SECRET/MAJIC) etc., etc.

The MJ- 12 guys were all wheels and many archives have at least
some of their papers. Twining's papers are at the Library of
Congress Manuscript Division which had 2one page TS memos from
Cutler to Twining, both without TS Control numbers.

I should add that the paper above also, I think convincingly,
demonstrated that the documents received by Tim Cooper were
indeed fraudulent.. in many cases, emulations.

One other comment: I have heard very favorable comments about
David Rudiak's Ramey memo work, and was very impressed with his
posting about context etc. Way to go David.

Stan Friedman


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