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Re: Sci-Fi on Roswell: A Review

From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic.nul>
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 03:51:31 -0500
Archived: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 09:41:02 -0500
Subject: Re: Sci-Fi on Roswell: A Review

>From: Tom Bowden <tomrbowden.nul>
>Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:06:52 -0800 (PST)
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>Subject: Re: Sci-Fi on Roswell: A Review

>>From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993.nul>
>>Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 14:22:47 EST
>>Subject: Re: Sci-Fi on Roswell: A Review
>>To: ufoupdates.nul

>>>From: Tom Bowden <tomrbowden.nul>
>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto
>>>Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 18:20:35 -0800 (PST)
>>>Subject: Re: Sci-Fi on Roswell: A Review


Hi Tom,

You wrote:

>The case of the
>photos Bob Guccione bought was described in summary,

Just as an aside; that was me! <vbeg>

I posted, to this List several years ago, a report about how
Budd and I had been invited to to participate in a newscast
along with Dick Hall (via remote camera) and Bob Guccione (in
studio with Budd and myself).

The day before the broadcast Budd had told me about how
Penthouse magazine was planning to publish this "alien photo"
which allegedly depicted a 'Grey' alien on a hospital gurney.

It sounded familiar!

Coincidentally, just days before, I had visited the the Roswell
UFO Museum website. Budd's description of the Penthouse 'alien
on a gurney' rang a bell with me. The description of the
Penthouse alien photo seemed to match the photo of the
'Hollywood movie dummy on a gurney' that I had seen at the UFO
Museum so closely, that I made it a point to download and print
out a copy before going to do the news program. I (innocently)
wanted to show it to Guccione just to see how closely it matched
the one he had purchased and was planning publish.

The next day in the green-room I showed Guccione the photo I had
downloaded from the Internet. The guy turned purple! The reason
he was on the newscast was to hype the upcoming Penthouse
"alien" issue. After I showed him that picture from the Roswell
Museum he went on air and denied that he had paid anything for
the picture! He launched into what can only be described a
pre-emptive 'public' ass-covering. The news guy was stumbling all
through the interview because every question he put to Guccione
regarding the photo was met with complete denial. A complete 180
to the hype-job he was supposedly there to do.

Guccione stormed out of the studio after his segment. I only
found out weeks later that the photo I had shown him was the
same one that he had paid over $200,000 US for. I was the guy
that put Guccione wise to the phoney nature of the photo he had
purchased. And it wasn't intentional. I did it purely by

Funny, he never thanked me. I wonder why? He might have been
slightly pissed at finding out that he had been snookered out of
a quarter million bucks by some lady with a Russian accent.

Below is the original post for anybody who may want to read it,
from before The UFO UpDates Archive went online.

Ufology isn't just an avocation... it's an adventure! :)


John Velez


From: John Velez <jvif.nul>
To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ebk.nul>
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 12:40:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Velez & Hopkins On CNBC Tonight

In response to Kevin's post,

>From: KRandle993.nul
>Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 09:01:42 -0400
>To: ebk.nul
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Velez & Hopkins on CNBC tonight

>In a message dated 96-08-01 01:42:27 EDT, you write:

>>These photos have been floating around the internet for a few
>>years now. I hve copies of the 3: upper torso, middle torso, and
>>legs. They are NOT from the Roswell movie or the autopsy films
>>(some people have made that claim).

>>They are very similar to the Roswell movie and dummy at the
>>Roswell museum. Since the photos came FIRST, the other obviously
>>were based on them, not vice-versa. Of course, that does not
>>prove the photos are authentic. I just wish people would not put
>>the cart before the horse. Bad information is as bad as dis-

>This is not a matter for debate. There is no doubt that the
>photos are of the special effects models made for the film. They
>were not based on photographs of real bodies. What part of this
>don't you people understand? This story in Penthouse is a hoax.
>It is not disinformation, misinformation or anything else. It is
>an attempt to make money on the new interest in the Roswell
>case. I can't believe that anyone, seeing the special effects
>model, as displayed in Roswell could conclude anything else. We
>have enough trouble in this field and we don't need to support
>something that can be demonstrated as part of the special
>effects created for a movie. That is all it is. There is nothing
>more to be said. The case is over.


Hi again Kevin, hi all,

I got to hold and look at Bob Guccione's "original prints" which
he had brought to the studio with him. They are airbrushed
versions ( the protective bed railing that appears behind the
'alien' in  the web versions had been deleted.)

Kevin is right, there's _nothing_ to fuss about here, they are
identical to the mock-ups used to make the Roswell film, and
which now resides at the museum. Hey guys I'm an experiencer and
there's nothing I'd like more than to see some photographic
evidence of these little grey bastards, but _this_ isn't it. Be
patient though, it's only going to be a matter of time before
the genuine article surfaces.

Guccione got 'visibly upset' when I showed him the photos that I
copped off the web. I sincerely believe that the man was conned.
I also believe after having spoken to him that Mr G believes in
the authenticity of the pix, and is not trying to
_intentionally_ hoax the public. His 'crime' here is shared by
many other alleged investigators and journalists. He didn't
check his sources or verify the material before he published.

Hope this helps Mr Randle.

See you guys out there.

John Velez
Intruders Foundation


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