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Re: Roswell Had Victims?

From: Gary Anthony <garyant.nul>
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 23:47:45 -0000
Archived: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 09:21:51 -0500
Subject: Re: Roswell Had Victims?

>From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:50:12 +0000
>Subject: Re: Roswell Had Victims?

>>From: Tom Bowden <tomrbowden.nul>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 17:14:17 -0800 (PST)
>>Subject: Re: Roswell Had Victims?

>>>>From: David Rudiak <DRudiak.nul>
>>>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>>Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:10:35 -0800
>>>>Subject: Re: Roswell Hhad Victims?

>>I disagree with the application of the analogy to "seeing faces
>>in the clouds". There are logical methodologies which can be
>>applied to such work as this. It is simiar to the type of
>>pattern matching often used by cryptologists.

>>If someone cares to challenge David Rudiak's interpretation of
>>the Ramey Memo, let him or her take a methodical approach to the
>>work and arrive at independent conclusions. I am sure that a
>>scientist like David Rudiak would welcome any serious peer
>>review of his work as a necessary part of the process of

>While I agree with your sentiments and think Rudiak's work
>definitely should be respected, the point is that several other
>photoanalysts have, in fact, applied computer enhancement
>technology and come up with quite different words and overall
>readings of the Ramey telegram.

>A few articles have been published on this.

>Hence the comparison to seeing faces in clouds, which I tend to
>agree with.

>The answer, as you suggest, is better organized and reported
>peer review. Unfortunately, as is so typical of 'ufology' in
>general, relevant material gets reported in many different
>places and seldom put together. One solution for this would be
>an abstracts database (research awareness), which I have the
>expertise (but not the money) to do.

Hi List, Dick and Tom,

I agree with Dick on his point of faces in clouds. However,
amorphous images aside (as Neil Morris may corroborate to some
degree) it has not prevented us from sending photographic
representations of the Ramey Memo (both enhanced and
computerised samples and normal best photographic paper copies),
to two separate competent 'cryptanalysts' (who have no interest
in UFOlogy) a few months ago. Status - currently awaiting
responses! Apparently the process takes time, especially on a
limited budget... Checking out whether the Ramey Memo can be
deciphered is a worthwhile project, it is one of the unanswered
questions in the Roswell arena that needs addressing properly, I
am encouraged others have thought of engaging in it, though for
my two-penneth's I am of the opinion this requires the input of
qualified experts outside of ufology before anything useful
(either way) can be learned. Whether this will happen is

Despite confusing posts, problems and ignorance associated with
such analysis is demonstrable on list -- reassuringly this is
how some 'cryptanalysts' earn a crust and the tools and
resources at their disposal (especially government employed
chaps) are fantastic, beyond what most can really imagine even
in some high-tech quarters of academia. (Though I don't intend
this mail to show a naive advocator of anything or everything

From an American perspective we are talking about guys who can
decipher a range of blurry texts from long range photography,
even in some cases from spyplane aerial reconnaissance. To
emphasise an important fact, this type of cryptanalysis is
worked from technique, application and pure brain power, there
are many limitations and this is no small task An area of
cryptology called cryptoeidography (which Bruce Macabee may be
familiar with?) is a good analogy for this problem.

Cryptoeidography is very effective in rendering either pictures
or text on an image secret, one employs cifax which modifies
electrical patterns to distort an image while the latter
involves actual optical alterations to it. I am not suggesting
either has been done in the case of the Ramey Memo, but in
reference to the latter, an expert can confirm the second form
of altering optical images can be very effective in disguising
content. Here is the kicker, there are natural counterparts to
this type of optical concealment which sometimes crop up in
photographic images that possess text or similar patterns. This
is a major factor and consideration for the prescribed

If anyone can make head-way with an enquiry like this though,
it is in a specialised area of cryptanalysis, which should
also be capable of pointing out any limitations. Be warned,
this process is not cheap, unless you know someone in the
trade (which is mostly doubtful given the nature of the work)
or unless you can find someone qualified and willing to do it
for free? A scholar in Ohio River Valley named Fred. B.
Wrixon, may be able to indicate a suitable candidate or two,
if he can be contacted?

David Rudiak makes a very valid point with his post about
possible word combinations on the Ramey Memo, which could be
borne out to some extent with grammatical, orthographic and
other analyses done by cryptanalysts, if a workable sample of
the Ramey Memo could be used? I would add one thing to David's
initial assessment from a humble but slightly informed
perspective - there may be other possibilities for applicable
words and meaning; and the scope of this work may be a bit
larger too.

Suggestion of a simple 'scientific' method for Ramey Memo
analysis to substantiate or refute David Rudiak's assessment may
go something like this:

Encourage the participation of at least two independent
cryptanalysts and ask them to:

1. Obtain clearest photographic representations of Ramey Memo.

2. Allow a photographic expert (linked with cryptanalysis) to
enlarge, enhance and manipulate the images in a number of useful
ways to obtain workable sample/s.

3. Submit samples to any feasible analyses

4. Publish all conclusions and peer review.

It may be a brilliant coup to see if this can be followed up
State Side! Would the Sci Fi channel go for a follow up on this
aspect, perhaps they could fund it?

Best Regards

Gary Anthony

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