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Re: Abductions & Ufology

From: Jan Aldrich <project1947.nul>
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 8:57:44 -0500
Archived: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 07:49:49 -0500
Subject: Re: Abductions & Ufology

>From: Greg Sandow <greg.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:43:52 -0500
>Subject: Re: Abductions & Ufology

>>From: Jan Aldrich <project1947.nul>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:33:7 -0500
>>Subject: Re: Media & 'Truth'

>>1. Some 'abductees' have deep problems, and they need help from mental
>>health professionals. I have letters from a very intelligent woman who
>>apparently is also member of upper society, and who has serious mental
>>problems. Her story is that the Aliens and the Communists are chasing
>>her and have been since her husband, a newspaper publisher, died. She
>>now rides buses up and down the East Coast never staying in one place
>>for more than a few months. She sends letters from a variety of
>>places, a beauty salon, a diner, a laundromat and receives
>>answers at such places.


Greg, here is the problem right here. You snipped out everything
else I said and aimed at this one item. Quite honestly, I don't
know how many people are like this woman, but my limited
experience indicate that there are significant numbers like that
not the majority, not a huge minority but still significant.

Let me tell you if people come to me, and there have been a number
over the years, I refer them immediate to some who has been doing
abduction research. The only exception was a fellow who claimed
that Aliens were training him to do some kind of mathematical
operations, I tried to get him to share some of this material
unfortunately he was not too trusting in this area so the link
quickly broke.

You have decided to pick out one part of my post and represent
it as the whole idea. I have grave reservations about
abductions, abduction research, and abduction researchers.


>Quite honestly, I'm surprised at you. Seems to me like you've
>substituted anecdotes for analysis. Nobody disputes that some
>people who claim to be abductees are disturbed, or in fact, to
>put it bluntly, that the abduction world attracts some out and
>out nutcases. But the question you don't address is pretty basic
>- how many abductees "have deep problems, and need help from
>mental health professionals"? What percentage of abductees are
>troubled that way?

>For what it's worth - and you certainly should know this -
>several studies have shown that the majority of abductees don't
>seem to have any serious psychological disturbance. Plus,
>there's a remark David Jacobs like to make (and in fact I heard
>him make it once again, on the Sci-Fi Channel symposium last
>night). He says that all sorts of psychopathological
>explanations are advanced for the abduction phenomenon. He
>wonders, though, why the people who advance these theories --
>apparently like yourself, Jan - don't think that abducction
>researchers themselves have considered the problem. What
>precautions do you think people like Dave, Budd Hopkins, and
>John Mack take to exclude people with serious mental health
>difficulties from their work?

I wonder how deeply abduction researchers have considered the
problem! The whole point of my post! I think the important
aspect is not example above which you picked to comment on which
indeed may be rare, but those victims of child sexual abuse.

The people with serious mental health problem were not the whole
point of my post, just a small aspect. Jacobs, Hopkins, and Mack
are not the only ones doing this work either. What about the
second and third teir "researchers." Of the three above only one
has a medical/mental health background.

As I said people who are the victims of child sexual abuse
certainly may not exhibit gross psychopathological symptoms.
However, it appears that a wide spectrum of the population has
been exposed to such abuse, and it usually is not from strangers
although the media concentrates on that aspect.

The mental health community is just waking up to the extent of
problem, so we are to expect non-mental health professionals who
are abduction specialists have some corner on understanding the
problem here. I think not.

>I'm surprised at what you wrote, Jan, because I respect you so
>much. In the thread about "Cosmic Top Secret," you got properly
>angry at people who made pronouncements about security
>classifications without having much knowledge. At one point you
>fired off a long list of your own qualifications - your own
>direct experience with classified documents. Would it be
>appropriate now to ask how much direct experience you've had
>with the abduction world?

Well, I have heard and read a large number of abductions
stories. However, how many abductions specialist are degreed
significant mental health disciplines?

Let's look at some aspects:

How do we know that people have might have been abducted? Do we
not have some rather vague disquieting feelings under the
surface which leads them to this conclusion?

What is one of the main themes in abductions? "Powerlessness."

Sometimes unspeakable things are done to the abductees and there
is some entity that asures the abductee that everything will be
okay or what is done is okay.

The experience is vieled, the abductee is not suppose to talk
about what happened. There is a memory screen in many cases.

Now consider an innocent child subjected to sexual abuse by
someone in power over them, they are assured that it is okay,
and told not to tell anyone about it and the main theme if the
other adults in the child's life will not listen to him/her
(often the case): "powerlessness."

The parellels may be superficial, but they are striking.

I did just fall off the turnip truck here. The thing that has
change is that I have done a lot of reading of the current
research on child abuse.

(An aside here. Victims of child sexual abuse are sometimes said
by the people close to them, that they have "issues." No! Wrong.
They are wounded. If someone, is shoot in the leg we don't say
that they have "issues" we try to protect and heal the wound.
Same here. They are not mental distributed in the mental health
sense, it is a generally a reaction to trauma. Such victims are
often told by the ones closest to them "to get over it" "turn the
page." Friends often also tell them not to dwell on the past.
Interesting how society closes ranks to keep this aspect of
behavior out of sight.)

We have one abductee researcher writing a little book for
children telling things that parents try to indoctrinate their
children against. The abductor is a new friend, its okay to go
with them. Really?

Now let's talk about abductee researchers a little here. Do we
have the best and brightest here? What I said about the coming
war between the Rebel Reptilians and the Greys may be amusing
but everyone at the table was nodding in grave agreement. How
about "cloned prostitutes?" Do we really believe this stuff?

>Quite baffled,

Like I said, Greg, answering everything or not at all. You chose
to snip away at my post and change radically the ideas
communicated therein.

You have completely, and I repeat here, completely, by your
selective little editing changed the subject of my post! Shame,
shame on you! Read this again:

Now I don't know what to make of the AVB case, nor the Hills
case, nor say the Bluff Ledge case nor dozens nor scores nor
maybe hundreds nor even thousand of others. Something very
strange may be operating here, but I am puzzled as to what it
is. I certainly do not buy grand unified theories offered so


Jan Aldrich

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