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Re: Jimmy Carter The Nobel Prize & ETs

From: Bob Young <YoungBob2.nul>
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 01:29:43 EST
Archived: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 07:46:38 -0500
Subject: Re: Jimmy Carter The Nobel Prize & ETs

>From: Jerry Cohen <rjcohen.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:22:43 -0500
>Subject: Re: Jimmy Carter The Nobel Prize & ETs

>>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:17:07 EST
>>Subject: Re: Jimmy Carter The Nobel Prize & Extraterrestrials


>a)  A cloud was actually there. "A 'few' scattered clouds . ."
>Did anyone else there actually notice clouds present?
>Did Sheaffer query people or did he simply discount this? I
>think this information is important to arrive at a meaningful

The nearby weather observers reported this, I believe.


>your viewpoint is that Carter may have
>mistaken the size of what he saw. He may have seen a star and
>mistaken it for an object almost as large as the moon. I do not
>believe there is a certainty he would have made this mistake.

The object would have been brilliant Venus.

>>Then "none of us" would have ever mistaken a planet or star for
>>a sizeable UFO? The last 55 years have many examples of such

>And examples of UFOs that have yet to be explained, and UFOs
>which were labeled IFOs and then found to still be UFOs. These
>things cancel each other out. So what's your point?

You are claiming that all identified IFOs are "cancelled out"
because there are still unsolved UFO reports out there?

>I asked for a specific case; one where another person saw what
>he thought was a UFO the size of the moon or slightly smaller
>and also had the technical education (Nuclear Physics) and
>observer skills of Carter. I would think this would be one part
>of Sheaffer's proof concerning this point. Is this available for
>us to see? Is this perhaps found in Sheaffer's book?

If the only IFO explanations you will ever consider are those in
which the witness's background must be matched to another IFO
witness using your self-selected criteria, you will be doomed to
studying old long-solved cases reported by "expert" witnesses
until the cows come home. My life is too short.

Human beings are fallible. Witnesses of every IFO ever seen were
fallible. See The UFO Handbook by Allan Hendry, p. 64 where he
describes daylight UFOs which turned out to be the planet Venus,
Changes in brightness caused by clouds and haze were interpreted
as motions toward and away from the witness.

Eleven other witnesses were present, some seeing the little star
or blue light, and none thought anything unusual happened.

>Bob, a question for you: Do you feel the Rosalynn Carter piece
>has any truly meaningful place in a debate concerning Carter's
>sighting other than to cloud the issue at hand? Do you think it
>has any direct bearing on an investigation of Carter's specific
>sighting? Be honest.

These are two seperate articles, actually five, two by Sheaffer
and three by local newspapers. I don't believe the UFO article
ever mentions the ghost story, or vica versa. Robert Sheaffer
bills himself, after all, as "skeptical to the max." He also
includes Opera, Philosophy, astronomy and other debunking on his
site, too.

>My point was that if Robert Sheaffer had a truly locked down
>solution concerning Carter's sighting, he wouldn't have had to
>resort to putting that stuff on his web site.

Oh, come on. He published that solution more than 20 years ago
in a magazine article and a book. Aren't we allowed to mix
anything else with UFOs, too? Kind of thin-skinned aren't you?

Clear skies,

Bob Young

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