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Re: Abductions & Ufology

From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic.nul>
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 01:27:24 -0500
Archived: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 07:45:16 -0500
Subject: Re: Abductions & Ufology

>From: Jan Aldrich <project1947.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:58:53 -0500
>Subject: Re: Abductions & Ufology

>>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 22:32:16 -0500
>>Subject: Re: Media & 'Truth'

>>>From: Jan Aldrich <project1947.nul>
>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:33:7 -0500
>>>Subject: Re: Media & 'Truth'

>>>>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic.nul>
>>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>>Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:54:46 -0500
>>>>Subject: Re: Media & 'Truth'

>>>>>From: Paul Kimball <Kimballwood.nul>
>>>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>>>Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 22:08:18 EST
>>>>>Subject: Re: Media & 'Truth'

>>>>>Dear Mr. Velez:


>>Hi Jan

>>>Hi Paul, John, and List,

>>>Not quite on your topic about media, but in the ball park:

>>You wrote:

>>>John, you will probably never talk to me again or answer me
>>>again after this, but I think abductions are at the end of the
>>>line of that which should be considered in ufology.

Hi Jan,

>>Ok, so we disagree. I think UFOs and abductions explain each
>>other. But that's just speculation on my part. You're entitled
>>to your opinion Jan.

You wrote:

>John, this, of course was not serious. But I am going into your
>area of expertise and telling you that I don't think it should
>be the center piece of the ufology. I know you probably disagree

No, not a 'center piece' but as being part and parcel to the UFO
phenomenon. UFOs _are_ a part of abduction reports. As such,
they demand equal consideration.

Hey man, I don't pretend to have the answers to any of the
questions you are posing here. I'll try to address a couple of
them with my own thoughts/feelings about it. What I do know is;
in 1977 I was standing about 50 to 60 linear feet away from a
silent, glowing, football shaped object that was hovering no
more that 45 to 50 feet off the ground. (Just over the roof of a
three story apartment house in Brooklyn.)

If I had picked up a stone and thrown it, I could have hit it
easily and I would have heard the 'ping' from the impact from
where I was standing. If I wasn't so scared shitless I might
have tried it.

That incident was followed by a whole night of missing time that
culminated in a visit to an emergency room where I had two
physicians, one of which was an ear, nose, and throat specialist
tell me that they saw evidence of 'surgery' having been
performed inside my head. (Sinuses)

That's not "I had a dream" kind of crap. I was left bleeding,
with a swollen eye, and more confused and disoriented than I
have ever felt in my entire life. It was real and physical and
it left behind (painful) evidence. My wife and my kids have
demonstrated highly unusual physical manifestations over the
years. This is no 'ify' thing for me Jan. It's real and it
concerns me deeply. My family is affected. That's the bottom
line for me. And I'm not alone.

I have 'stuff' like that in my life that goes back to childhood
Jan. Involving multiple witness UFO sightings, non-human beings,
being carried out my house in the middle of the night, strange
flying/floating lights 'inside' the house that others have
witnessed along with me, on and on like that.

That, is all I "know" Jan. I can only speak for/answer for me.
Not for anybody else. No one can. I am one man. One case. I
couldn't speak for anybody else's case if I wanted to. If I were
to try to deny it all to myself I would be denying my Life. I
would have to intentionally lie to myself! I can't do that. I'm
not put together that way.

So what am I left with? I'm standing here talking to you. One on
one. It's all I have and it's all I can do. I hope that by
allowing you to get to know me over a period of years, by
exposing my self, my personality, my experiences and my inner
workings that (at some point) you will realize that 'hey, John
isn't a psycho or a chronic liar. 'Maybe' I have prejudged other
abductees/abduction cases.

If that much can be accomplished with a few people then my time
here has been well spent. How many of the cases you mentioned
are 'legit?' I don't know. But I'd sure as hell like to. We're
not going to get anywhere if bright and thoughtful individuals
like yourself retreat into denial and negation solely because
you have focused on the flurry of detail at the expense of
missing the central core of material that is _consistent_ in
many cases.

I'm not here to 'sell' anybody anything. I tell my story, share
things I've learned or picked up along the way and I let people
make up their own minds about it. We can go at this for months
Jan. Like I said, I don't have any answers for you. You'll have
to work it all out for yourself just like I was forced to do.

The only real difference between me and you is, you have a
choice. I don't. I'm stuck with a series of events in my life
that I cannot simply 'wish away' and that you cannot 'explain

So here we are.



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