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Re: Abductions & Ufology

From: Jan Aldrich <project1947.nul>
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:58:53 -0500
Archived: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 07:25:20 -0500
Subject: Re: Abductions & Ufology

>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 22:32:16 -0500
>Subject: Re: Media & 'Truth'

>>From: Jan Aldrich <project1947.nul>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:33:7 -0500
>>Subject: Re: Media & 'Truth'

>>>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic.nul>
>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:54:46 -0500
>>>Subject: Re: Media & 'Truth'

>>>>From: Paul Kimball <Kimballwood.nul>
>>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>>Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 22:08:18 EST
>>>>Subject: Re: Media & 'Truth'

>>>>Dear Mr. Velez:


>Hi Jan

>>Hi Paul, John, and List,

>>Not quite on your topic about media, but in the ball park:

>You wrote:

>>John, you will probably never talk to me again or answer me
>>again after this, but I think abductions are at the end of the
>>line of that which should be considered in ufology.

>Ok, so we disagree. I think UFOs and abductions explain each
>other. But that's just speculation on my part. You're entitled
>to your opinion Jan.

John, this, of course was not serious. But I am going into your
area of expertise and telling you that I don't think it should
be the center piece of the ufology. I know you probably disagree

>BTW, I'm 53 not 13. I'm not going to take my ball and go home in
>a huff and pouting because you expressed an opinion that I
>disagree with.

>What I'd like to address is this (incomplete) list that you

>You listed:

>>1. Some 'abductees' have deep problems, and they need help from
>>mental health professionals. I have letters from a very
>>intelligent woman who apparently is also member of upper
>>society, and who has serious mental problems. Her story is that
>>the Aliens and the Communists are chasing her and have been
>>since her husband, a newspaper publisher, died. She now rides
>>buses up and down the East Coast never staying in one place for
>>more than a few months. She sends letters from a variety of
>>places, a beauty salon, a diner, a laundromat and receives
>>answers at such places.

>>2. Some 'abductees' have stories which are very similar to child
>>sex abuse stories. They are tortured or used sexually by
>>entities who have almost complete power over them.

>>3. Some 'abductees' are the voice of the abductors. I call these
>>the "queen bees" that will tell us all there is to know about
>>the aliens. While people hang around listening to every word
>>like recievied wisdom. And, of course, each story gets better
>>than the one before. "I have one abductee who murdered a Grey."
>>"The Greys are getting tired of the Rebel Reptilians! If things
>>do not change, there will be an interstellar war with earth at
>>the center in the next six months!" I didn't make this up, but
>>heard this at the 1996 MUFON Symposium, I promise.

>>4. Some 'abductees' are jumping on the band wagon. I received a
>>letter from a country and western singer. He had a UFO crash
>>story from 1947 in Colorado, and, of course, recently he had
>>been abducted. Do you think his stories might help his music
>>career? (I did an extensive search in Colorado for any evidence
>>of unusual activities there during the supposed crash.)

>>My friend took a telephone call from a fellow who wanted to know
>>"all about UFOs" because if he did, then he could be abducted,
>>and then, he could be in book about his abduction, go all over
>>the country lecturing, get on TV and become famous. Hmmm.

>>5. Finally, there are military or intelligence people going
>>around the country kidnapping, torturing and planting abduction
>>scenarios in people's heads as part of insidious mind control
>>experiments. The popularity of such ideas in the UFO community
>>astounds and disgusts me! The Viet Vietnam war brought out the
>>worst in some in the military. A great deal of soul-searching
>>went into development of senior leaders after this searing
>>national experience. That people of integrity would not step
>>forward and denounce such actions is hard to believe. The proof
>>of such paranoid ideas is thin indeed.

>You forgot number 6 Jan!

>6. _Some_ abductees are accurately recalling and describing
>actual physical events.

Not at all John, here is what I said in resume:

Now I don't know what to make of the AVB case, nor the Hills
case, nor say the Bluff Ledge case nor dozens nor scores nor
maybe hundreds nor even thousand of others. Something very
strange may be operating here, but I am puzzled as to what it
is. I certainly do not buy grand unified theories offered so

>Out of pure laziness I am going to copy/paste a paragraph I wrote
>in a response to Don Ledger about the NOVA program. It applies

>"What they ignored (as opposed to 'cut out') was all the physical
>evidence. The medical reports, the pictures of the scoop marks
>and scars on the bodies of the abductees, lab reports on ground
>trace evidence, and multiple witness cases. What the public missed
>out on was the 'evidence,' circumstantial though it may be, for
>what we were/are reporting."

>You completely ignore the physical elements/components of the
>abduction reports/reporters. Unless one of your 5 explanations
>can explain away the physical phenomena, your 'candidates' will
>be inadequate because they fail to acknowledge or address a
>vital component. A little consideration I like to call 'number

>'Wink and a nod.'

No, I wouldn't think of ignoring such evidence. But it is not,
unfortunately, conclusive. I did not say that the first five
categories were the be-all and end-all. In the first four
primary categories I have abductees in quotation marks for the
reason that I think like most everything else in ufology there
are huge amounts of useless data.

Going through hugh amounts of data that comes for abductees is
rather trying. After getting such data and trying to put it
together in statistical studies may be interesting and
informative. However, has care been taken to see that the data
from which the stats are derived does not fall into the areas
which I described above. But my problem is that there is a
tendency to readily accept everyone who say they have been
abducted as a "true" case.

Another example. After the news started talking about "dark
matter", that is matter thought to be in universe, but
undetected by current radio, X-ray, or visual astronomy, some
'abductees' started talking about the Aliens' ships being
propelled by dark matter. My inclination is to say fine, these
people are just absorbing the latest news, and with incomplete
understanding of what it means, incorporating it into their
stories. (Dark matter is no different then other matter, it is
just not detectable from earth with the present state of the art
or during the current survey census of matter in the universe.
Dark matter has not other special properties.)

Further, where Aliens are communicative with abductees they many
times give warnings of diasters or events which are false, or
concerns over which abductees have not control or influence.
Some concerns sound like the contactee's warnings of yore that
nuclear bombs were upsetting the balance of the universe.

Recently, for other reasons, I have done extensive readings
into child sexual abuse. Such victims are often isolated
and powerless especially if it is a matter of incest. They
carry the trauma hidden away in their minds into adult life.
In many cases people tell them since it happened long ago when
they were children, "they should get over it and move on."
Unfortunately, that is mostly impossible and while the person may
be able to function well in society the experiences have deeply
affect them and cause problems in their lives that usually need
some type of help.

In many cases, unfortunately too many, when parents are involved,
there is a tendency of the other parent to support the abuser
rather then the abused. In such cases the only defense left
to the child is disassociation or hiding the experiences and
memories. Are we seeing that in some abduction cases? Are
these really alien abductions, or a way for the powerless to
get their experiences out into the open many years after the fact?
I don't know, this is way beyond where I feel comfortable going.
However, I have talked to a psychologist who lives close to me
who has done such work. I doubt if she will every be invited to
a MUFON Symposium to share her ideas. I also doubt that many
abduction investigators want to hear such ideas or look into
this area.

>>Okay, I know that the above will cause some brickbats to come my

>From who Jan? Me? Geez I hope not. I would have thought that
>after all these years you would give me credit for having more
>down than that.

>>Please answer the whole thing or not at all. Thank you.

>Hmmm, my sentiments precisely, Ollie! :)

>>I will be in my bomb shelter as I know the 50 megaton nukes are
>>currently on the way to Northeast Connecticut!

>Life sometimes has a nasty way of living up to our expectations.
>Be careful what you ask for... you just might get it! :)

John, I have learned that some people have so much invested in
the abduction scenarios that any criticism evokes deep emotional
responses. I know you have mention such reactions also to your

My opinion on abductions is that I don't understand what is
going on here. I don't know how to integrate this into ufology.
 I don't think that proponents have given us much useful
understanding here either. I am throwing out my thoughts and
confusion on the matter in hopes it will simulate some useful

What are some scenarios?

Breeding a hybrid race to take over the world Conducting bizarre
experiments on an almost industrial scale Revealing
technological marvels to the abductees, but not letting them
bring any proof of such things back with them.

Other associated abductions aspects:

Healing people
Making health or health problems worse
Causing trauma
Implaining memory blocks in some cases and not in others

Abductions, as Bob Pratt has commented, are quite different in
Brazil then the US. Why the cultural differences? Why are
there few abductions in some parts of Europe. (BTW the 1959
Swedish abduction case has proven to be a hoax. One of the
earliest abduction on record and one of the first to be
published. Of course, there is the 1951 Georgia case of the
abducted pilot. This story was even endorsed by some early

Our technology allows for imaging that means medical procedures
are becoming less invasive, but the Aliens seem to be into very
invasive techniques, removing eyeballs and such. Maybe we
should share our knowledge with them.

Considering where we are with breeding, genetics and cloning,
etc. is it really necessary to have sex with Aliens. What is
going on here?

Again, speaking only for myself.

Jan Aldrich

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