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Re: Media & 'Truth'

From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic.nul>
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 22:32:16 -0500
Archived: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 07:19:34 -0500
Subject: Re: Media & 'Truth'


>From: Jan Aldrich <project1947.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:33:7 -0500
>Subject: Re: Media & 'Truth'

>>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:54:46 -0500
>>Subject: Re: Media & 'Truth'

>>>From: Paul Kimball <Kimballwood.nul>
>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 22:08:18 EST
>>>Subject: Re: Media & 'Truth'

>>>>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic.nul>
>>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>>Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 12:03:25 -0500
>>>>Subject: Re: Media & 'Truth'

>>>Dear Mr. Velez:

>>><snip>

>>I don't think even contracts would make a difference. I've
>>>>gotten to the point where I ask one question and one question
>>>>only when ever I am invited to participate in one of these 'UFO'
>>>>programs: "Is the material being presented as 'news' or as
>>>'>entertainment'? The end result... I haven't consented to do
>>>>anything I have been invited to participate in for more than
>>>>three years.

>>>>We don't need no stinking contracts!' We just need to refuse to
>>>>participate in any more 'for entertainment only' productions
>>>>that we are invited to appear in.

>>>As a lawyer who also happens to be a film and television
>>>producer/director, I can only respond by saying that you always
>>>need contracts, and they do make a difference. Further, they're
>>>always open to negotiation.

>>Although I do appreciate your comments Paul, I'm not surprised
>>that a lawyer would consider contracts as necessary as air. :)

>>I was talking about out and out misinformation however. My
>>comment about contracts was an aside to the main topic of media
>>deception and manipulation. Those are the real issues.

><snip>

Hi Jan

>Hi Paul, John, and List,

>Not quite on your topic about media, but in the ball park:

You wrote:

>John, you will probably never talk to me again or answer me
>again after this, but I think abductions are at the end of the
>line of that which should be considered in ufology.

Ok, so we disagree. I think UFOs and abductions explain each
other. But that's just speculation on my part. You're entitled
to your opinion Jan.

BTW, I'm 53 not 13. I'm not going to take my ball and go home in
a huff and pouting because you expressed an opinion that I
disagree with.

What I'd like to address is this (incomplete) list that you
created.

You listed:

>1. Some 'abductees' have deep problems, and they need help from
>mental health professionals. I have letters from a very
>intelligent woman who apparently is also member of upper
>society, and who has serious mental problems. Her story is that
>the Aliens and the Communists are chasing her and have been
>since her husband, a newspaper publisher, died. She now rides
>buses up and down the East Coast never staying in one place for
>more than a few months. She sends letters from a variety of
>places, a beauty salon, a diner, a laundromat and receives
>answers at such places.

>2. Some 'abductees' have stories which are very similar to child
>sex abuse stories. They are tortured or used sexually by
>entities who have almost complete power over them.

>3. Some 'abductees' are the voice of the abductors. I call these
>the "queen bees" that will tell us all there is to know about
>the aliens. While people hang around listening to every word
>like recievied wisdom. And, of course, each story gets better
>than the one before. "I have one abductee who murdered a Grey."
>"The Greys are getting tired of the Rebel Reptilians! If things
>do not change, there will be an interstellar war with earth at
>the center in the next six months!" I didn't make this up, but
>heard this at the 1996 MUFON Symposium, I promise.

>4. Some 'abductees' are jumping on the band wagon. I received a
>letter from a country and western singer. He had a UFO crash
>story from 1947 in Colorado, and, of course, recently he had
>been abducted. Do you think his stories might help his music
>career? (I did an extensive search in Colorado for any evidence
>of unusual activities there during the supposed crash.)

>My friend took a telephone call from a fellow who wanted to know
>"all about UFOs" because if he did, then he could be abducted,
>and then, he could be in book about his abduction, go all over
>the country lecturing, get on TV and become famous. Hmmm.

>5. Finally, there are military or intelligence people going
>around the country kidnapping, torturing and planting abduction
>scenarios in people's heads as part of insidious mind control
>experiments. The popularity of such ideas in the UFO community
>astounds and disgusts me! The Viet Vietnam war brought out the
>worst in some in the military. A great deal of soul-searching
>went into development of senior leaders after this searing
>national experience. That people of integrity would not step
>forward and denounce such actions is hard to believe. The proof
>of such paranoid ideas is thin indeed.

You forgot number 6 Jan!

6. _Some_ abductees are accurately recalling and describing
actual physical events.

Out of pure laziness I am going to copy/paste a paragraph I wrote
in a response to Don Ledger about the NOVA program. It applies
here.

"What they ignored (as opposed to 'cut out') was all the physical
evidence. The medical reports, the pictures of the scoop marks
and scars on the bodies of the abductees, lab reports on ground
trace evidence, and multiple witness cases. What the public missed
out on was the 'evidence,' circumstantial though it may be, for
what we were/are reporting."

You completely ignore the physical elements/components of the
abduction reports/reporters. Unless one of your 5 explanations
can explain away the physical phenomena, your 'candidates' will
be inadequate because they fail to acknowledge or address a
vital component. A little consideration I like to call 'number
6.'

'Wink and a nod.'

>Okay, I know that the above will cause some brickbats to come my
>way.

From who Jan? Me? Geez I hope not. I would have thought that
after all these years you would give me credit for having more
down than that.

>Please answer the whole thing or not at all. Thank you.

Hmmm, my sentiments precisely, Ollie! :)

>I will be in my bomb shelter as I know the 50 megaton nukes are
>currently on the way to Northeast Connecticut!

Life sometimes has a nasty way of living up to our expectations.
Be careful what you ask for... you just might get it! :)


Regards,

John Velez


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