From: Bob Young <YoungBob2.nul> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 02:42:28 EST Archived: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 07:04:15 -0500 Subject: Re: Jimmy Carter The Nobel Prize & >From: Jerry Cohen <rjcohen.nul> >To: ufoupdates.nul >Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:52:51 -0500 >Subject: Jimmy Carter The Nobel Prize & Extraterrestrials Robert Sheaffer has asked me to post the following comment about this discussion and one on another List about the Betty Hill sighting. Bob Young --- "Bob, Fundamentally, Greg Sandow is arguing that no witness of any event, UFO or otherwise, ever makes the slightest error or misperception in later recounting it. Therefore, if there is even a minor discrepancy between what was _reported_, and the proposed prosaic explanation, then the prosaic explanation is excluded. It follows from Greg's line of argument that eyewitness accounts, such as Mrs. Hill's, are not merely reliable, but little short of _infallible_. (This, of course, flies in the face of everything that is known about the inaccuracy and malleability of human perception and memory.) Similarly, people are arguing that since Jimmy Carter said that his UFO was 30 degrees up, and Venus was only 25 degrees up, Carter's UFO couldn't possibly have been Venus. Same argument, same fallacy. In both cases, the ufologists are ignoring an important skeptical argument: If Betty Hill was seeing a real UFO, then there would have been _3_ starlike objects near the moon: Jupiter, Saturn, and the UFO. But she reported seeing only two. Similarly, Carter did not say that he saw two bright objects towards the west - Venus and his UFO - he saw only one."
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