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Re: Dorothy Izatt?

From: Larry Hatch <larry.nul>
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 01:19:16 -0800
Archived: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 05:57:00 -0500
Subject: Re: Dorothy Izatt?

>From: Chris Burns <Thurstonoreggae.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul, larry.nul
>Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 23:18:44 EST
>Subject: Re: Dorothy Izatt?

>>From: Larry Hatch <larry.nul>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:20:46 -0800
>>Subject: Re: Dorothy Izatt?

>>Thanks Chris:

>>I checked out the two links, photos etc.

>>That's all I needed to know.

>Larry (and List),

>Uh-oh! Am I right to assume your reaction to the links was one
>of either distaste or disregard? If so, I am interested in why.
>Also, I came upon a picture of Dorothy with Dr. Hynek, which
>jogged my memory that I did read about some interest he had in
>Ms. Izatt. Anybody know anything about this? Bueller?

>Truthfully I did expect some negative reactions to the topic of
>Ms. Izatt. Her tale is a UFO story that bleeds over into realms
>more frequently associated with ghost research, and it certainly
>seems UFO researchers keep a good distance away from the land of
>ghosthunters. Well, it also seems that ghost-heads react mighty
>violently to the topic of UFOs, so the feelings are mutual, I
>guess. In regards to Ms. Izatt though, I have never read or
>heard one criticism about her claims. Rare in itself, and
>supposedly she has been quite willing to have her films
>analyzed. Of course the question is who did the analysis and how
>was it done?

>Well that's enough of this. Next topic, Berthold Schwarz!

>Chris Burns

- - - - -

Hello again Chris:

Sorry for the delay, other matters intervened.

I will try to answer your questions in order, and as
tactfully as I can.

Yes, my reaction was one of thinly veiled distaste, not for you
of course, but for the materials found on the two links. Here
they are again so everyone can look for themselves:

The first one you gave is:


.. which has a short section about Dorothy Izatt
with two sublinks:

a) An article about Izatt by Graham Conway. Conway says that
"this upbeat lady has a latent psychic ability" and shows some
photos she took to "prove" it.


b) Here is a series of photos taken by Izatt. Some look (to me)
like some lights in the dark, made to look supernatural by
jiggling the camera about with the shutter open. Others are
similarly vague and uncompelling. I would like to be the fly on
the wall when someone like Bruce Maccabee checks them out.


In the Second link you originally provided:


.. we learn that:

"Since her fateful 1974 UFO sighting, the 78-year-old Izatt
claims to have had almost daily contact with the "light beings"
and their craft. "

There's more, as you kindly pointed out. While I didn't see any
ghost stories, and I'm not about to go searching for them right
now, I did read this:

"Her Web site


includes stills from her UFO movies, along with commentary from
UFO experts who have met Izatt."

I am anxious to see just which UFO experts met Dorothy Izatt,
and what they have to say.

I tried to make it easy for everyone to click on the links above
and look for themselves.

- - -

You are interested in why some people, myself for example, might
be put off with this sort of stuff?

I consider myself a ufo student of the nuts-and-bolts
persuasion. My position is that mixing the supernatural,
contactees, the occult (whatever that is) and mysticism in
general, will do nothing but muddy the waters in the already
difficult, almost impossibly confusing study of UFOs. I thought
that was blatantly obvious.

I'm surprised UFO-BC put up the Izatt pages.

You never heard any criticism of Izatt? Maybe that's
because many/most of us never heard of her .. I never
did. Maybe those who did felt it wasn't worth the bother.

Perhaps we should thank the "ghost heads", whoever they are, for
keeping their wagons out of the UFO arena. That is to their
credit, and I wish the proponents of other peripheral/paranormal
issues would do the same.

Finally, you mention Berthold Schwarz. I'm curious now. Did
you learn of Izatt via Schwarz, or was it the other way around,
or both via the pages of UFO-BC, or was it something else

Maybe Izatt and Schwarz have something in common, but I can't
quite put my finger on it. I did a very cursory browse for
Berthold Schwarz (note spelling) and the first thing that popped
up was:

" Dr. Berthold Schwarz Attests to Pyrokinetic and
 Levitation Abilities of Joey Nuzum.." see link:


The phrase mind-mush keeps ringing in my ears for some reason,
but that's probably prejudicial on my part.

Please do not take offense at all this. I will try to answer any
further questions as honestly as I can.

Best wishes

- Larry Hatch

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